Dear Susan,

I wonder if you could give me some information on this group of Kurds. I looked through your book but was unable to tell how they fit into the history of the Kurds.

I scanned this photograph from the World's Work Vol 36, July 1918, p.265.
The caption read: "Kurdish Cavalry"
It also appears in:
--The New York Times, April 25, 1909 p.3
--The Death of a Nation, 1916. p.143

Questions that interest me are:
--What tribe or group is it? (who are they?)
--Where were they located?
--What areas did they live and roam?
--What was their relation to other Kurdish groups?
--Any other information?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Submitted in December 2001 by Richard Kloian, a writer and archival
researcher living in California working on producing a book of
photographs that were taken in Turkey 1880-1920.

Who took the photo: i dont know
Who is in the photo: kurdish people
Where it was taken: from north of kurdistan
When it was taken: 1910 later

its taken from north of kurdistan because if you looked at the men in the middle you can see the down of his pants wich its big and this kind of kurdish pants is only available in north kurdistan in othe parts of kurdistan the down of his pants is small and they call his pants (sherwal).
with a big thanks to you.

xoshben, kurdistan, xoshben@live.com, May 15, 2010

Who is in the photo: Hamidiye regiments
Where it was taken: GARZAN AREA ( Between Eufrat and Wan lake)

Comment:
i am a student of photography in tehran

i have one of the best archives of the photoes of republice of mahabad i want to buy it.

keyvan, mesry seydyan
keivan_m2005@hotmail.com, March 07, 2008

Troop of Kurds cavalry which the Turks are hurling against the Russians in the passes of the Caucasus Mountains

Comment:
This photo had been issued in NEW YORK TIMES

sunday Jan 24th, 1915

picture section part 1

Zeiravan, Kurdistan - Iraq, zyrevan2@hotmail.com, November 12, 2007

Who took the photo: --
Who is in the photo: hamidiya troops in qers, van, agiri
Where it was taken: near the sowjet border, near armenian border

these are troops against the armenian during the first world war...the houses in background look like houses in HARRAN URFA..yes but kurds in this are of SERHED van agiri qers etc are originally from urfa so they were refused to move from urfa till this time of pic in region of SERHED..sipas thanks

akram, germany, xirekare@web.de, April 17, 2007

Who is in the photo: veliagers
Where it was taken: afrin - syria
When it was taken: 1900-1910

horo, syria, hoary-80@hotmail.com, February 14, 2007

Who took the photo: Ottoman Photographer
Who is in the photo: Hamidiye regiments
Where it was taken: South-East of Anatolia
When it was taken: 1895-1905

Who took the photo: ibrahim pasa
Who is in the photo: ramid yuksel
Where it was taken: turkey
When it was taken: 1920

its the kurdish soldiers that wanted to rebel against the ottoman empire but got killed.

tansi oklu, iraq, May 21, 2006

Who took the photo: An English missioner
Who is in the photo: Definetely Kurdish Fighters
Where it was taken: Definetely in Kurdistan Iraq (Sulaimanya) area
When it was taken: It could be about Shekh Mahmood

The photo was taken in sulaimanya area when Shekh Mahmod was fighting the English, if you look at the man on the left side he is wearing a western jacket which indicates that the fighter was clearing after dead english soliders. the Turks didnt wear this kind of jackets the Kurds were not making them. im sure of what i said.

Jack Ropert, Historian
UK, May 15, 2006

Who took the photo: a missioner
Who is in the photo: kurdish hamidiye
Where it was taken: nort_east kurdistan(old armenian land)
When it was taken: 1910-1920

kurds which organised by ottoman
WHO TAKE THE PHOTO..I M SURE ABOUT THE REGION...COZ OF GRAS( IN KURDISH LOD)LOOKS LIKE HARRANI TOMBS...BUT IT S NOT HARRANI HOUSE...

kurdo, berdush
mesopotamia, abramodino@yahoo.com, February 10, 2006

Who took the photo: a english or french photoghraper
Who is in the photo: hamidiye sipahis
Where it was taken: turkey,syria or iraq kurdistan
When it was taken: 1910-1920

The Hamidiye Sipahis war versus Armenian people

memed el feth, January 30, 2006

its harran in Urfa cant you see it

evren, Student/worker
Sweden origin turkey/konya, evrensutcu@hotmail.com, December 14, 2005

Who took the photo: A photographer !:)
Who is in the photo: No one important
Where it was taken: Kurdistan/ Turkey
When it was taken: late 1920

I have analyzed this pic over and over through some utilties that I have and based on the archived info and pics that I have , this pic was taken in the southren part of Turkey ,They are difinitly Kurds which is obvious from their clothes ,Material designs and the Head cover . The houses in the background and the are kurdish too based on the fact that such designs still exist in Sivas and kangal.This pic is definitly no war related ,it could be wedding or a race or something of that sort.

Comment:
It would be helpful if someone knows about the Guns they are Carrying....it will tell us exactly when that pic is taken and possibly where.

Kurdo, photographer
Canada, sakbab@yahoo.com, July 19, 2005

Who took the photo: a journalist maybe kurdish or english
Who is in the photo: kurdish soldiers
Where it was taken: kurdistan turky avileg near malham
When it was taken: between 1890-1910

Who took the photo: otoman soldier
Who is in the photo: shekh saeed piran
Where it was taken: northern of kurdistan
When it was taken: 18 -19century

shekh saeed piran when he ran away from turkey to mountains .

Comment:
it is expression kurdish acke.

kamaran, Geology
Iraq-kurdistan, kamarankh@yahoo.com, February 15, 2005

Who took the photo: ia m not sure
Who is in the photo: Kurdish soldiers
Where it was taken: Turkey
When it was taken: 1920-1930

its world war one when they were killing armenians. The Turks killed 1.5 million armenians and they send the Kurds to do it.

I am KURDISH boy

sergio, Canada, Kurd_oglu@hotmail.com, December 17, 2004

Who took the photo: I dont know
Who is in the photo: Supayen Hamidiye
Where it was taken: Around Harran
When it was taken: in 18 - 19 Century

It looks like "Supayen Hamidiye" which was built by Sultan Abdulhamit to use for Kurdish and Armanian faither who didn't want Osmani Empire.

swordsiwan@yahoo.com, October 18, 2004

Who took the photo: probaby an english guy
Who is in the photo: kurdish tribes
Where it was taken: east of turkey
When it was taken: 1920's(in turkish independence war against european countries)

tribe of kurds preparing to run to mountains when turks will fight for them one more time...

Comment:
was that guy who took that photo left that place alive?if he hadn't is there a otopsy report of him?probably they shot him from back(if you know what i mean)

Kür Şad, student
Turkey, August 18, 2004

Who took the photo: I cannot make any comments as to who might have taken the pictu
Who is in the photo: different Kurdish tribes
Where it was taken: in Southern Kurdistan (Suleimania area)
When it was taken: Pre 1920's

I had a very educated friend analyze this picture with me. He suggested that judging from the scarfs of the soldiers, it looks like these were soldiers from Suleimania area and maybe even Eastern Kurdista. The type of scarfs are black and they have "reshy" or strips on them coming down their faces. These types of scarfs were famously worn by people in that area. In addition, the soldiers are wearing different type of vests which suggests that these soldiers are from different regions. Some of them are wearing vests with high shoulders.

Furthermore, because in that time not everyone had access to horses and horses were considered to be for the wealthy or the nobility; we can say that these soldiers might even be leaders of tribes. If one looked at the picture very closely, these people on the horses are wearing different clothes. One of the man is wearing a English jacket (on the left side).

Comment:
These people are definitly Kurdish.

Student
CA, August 06, 2004

Who took the photo: Kurdish Photographer
Who is in the photo: Kurdish People Who Lives In South-East of Turkey
Where it was taken: Maybe In Harran
When it was taken: 1910-1930

Probably in Harran(a small town located in southern-east of turkey, near to the city Urfa. Maybe taken before going to battlefield. We can say that this may be battlefield against French attackers.

Emin CAN, University- ELT
Turkey... - Adıyaman, emin@iolp.com, July 22, 2004

Who took the photo: I don't know
Who is in the photo: Hamidiye Alaylari
Where it was taken: Northern Kurdistan (Probably Erzurum Wan)
When it was taken: 1915-1920

A group of soldiers who are involved in Armenian genocide.

Who took the photo: unknown
Who is in the photo: maybe kurdish people if so...

Maybe these people are kurdish if so.. after the kurds running away from there homes they ran to the mountains and had no jobs or anything to do so they ganged up and made klans to hijack and steal peoples villages and goods..
please note...
these people wernt doing this for a hobby they were being like this because they had no other choice...

a kurdish boy from U.K, Student
England, Undergroundkurd@hotmail.com, March 09, 2004

Who took the photo: Some Foeign Photographer or Missioner
Who is in the photo: A group of Kurdish Tribe combatants
Where it was taken: Northern Kurdistan
When it was taken: in the beginning of 20th century

I don't know anything about the history of the photo. But If we look at the face of the persons, they're more like Kurdish faces of Northern Kurdistan. And I think that The photo is taken by a foreign photographer or christian missioner, because it's rarely known that there have been some Kurdish photographers at that time(beg. of 20th century). It could be a marriage feast when Kurds are going to show their bravery and Cavalry and knighthood.

Comment:
Their strange houses????!!!!

Amir Mohammadi, Student
Finland, moamir24@hotmail.com, March 04, 2004

Who took the photo: Very likely English, maybe French
Who is in the photo: Kurdish men, readi to engage in some battle (1915-1940), very l
Where it was taken: Northern parts of Kurdistan (Kurdistan occupied by Turkey)/Very
When it was taken: 1915-1935--when most Kurdish revolutions took place against the

Kurdish: Well-dressed for battle, most likely against the Turkish Republic for an Independent Kurdistan, probably one of the first Kurdo-Turkik wars.

Another possibility maybe that it was taken by an English photographer and maybe of Tiyare Christian uprising (who Britian may have backed at the time).

Note: The clothes, without a doubt, are Kurdish, not Turkish, Arabic, or Armenian.

Ibo Kardox, Student (MBA/Political Sciences)
USA, jimedya@yahoo.com, January 29, 2004

Who took the photo: a Turkish Photographer
Who is in the photo: Turkish Soldiers
Where it was taken: Anatolia
When it was taken: 1920s

Turks are ready to combat for defending their country.
Kurds had escaped to mountains after south east of anatalia was invaded with English forces.

SO they never foghted for Turkey.
so noone can write here that they are Kurds.

If the foto was about a group of men escaping instead of fighting,i could say that they were absolutely Kurds.

Roberto, historian
italy-firenze, dr.vivaldi@medico.firenze.edu.it, January 17, 2004

this picture is on a book named "Kurdistan Kartali"..it is written by Bedirxan. The book is about Yado. I think this picture is taken somewhere in Bingol area and the people in this picture are soldiers to Yado

Who took the photo: a tourist
Who is in the photo: some of Kurds soldiers who Shekh Said was the leader of them
Where it was taken: I think in Kurdisatn of Turkey
When it was taken: 1925

Rezan, Student
Syria, rezan@mail2world.com, December 04, 2003

Who took the photo: i think a advanture
Who is in the photo: kurdish rebel group about one world war
Where it was taken: nort-east kurdistan
When it was taken: about one world war

they are kurdish rebel about one world war
they must be kurd i worked there many years and live with them beacause behind of them "qelax" a kind of coil or tree for burn,
teir wear is not found part of world which you see only this region olso it is never harran beacause this region very hot and u never see this green ground, harran region is include only harran hause never qelax
beacause i visit there several times.
nort east kurdistan behind them there are mountain and groun is green and their wear is original its sign they far from big city

refik, teacher
ankara, asadolphin@mynet.com, November 29, 2003

Who is in the photo: They are Ottoman soldieers
Where it was taken: at the beginning of century
When it was taken: no one knows

There is nothing about kurds here!! they were Ottoman troops which mixed Arabs, Kurds, Turks, Arnavuts and so on

Comment:
Nothing

Ozturk, MBA student
CA, October 08, 2003

Who took the photo: I think it is taken by a Kurdish photographer
Who is in the photo: Kurdish citizins, probably members of the same tribes
Where it was taken: I think in one of the larger cities of the Turkish region of Ku
When it was taken: 1920-1930

I think it is taken by a Kurdish photographer who wanted to take a picture before these people went to the battlefield. I don't think that these people are heads of the tribes. Because they wouldnt risk their leaders and it would also be impossible to collect so much leaders. That would mean that there are a lot of tribes located close to each other, and this is not likeley. I also think it is taken in the larger cities of Turkish Kurdistan. If you look at the buildings at the back, in those times these would only appear in the larger cities.

Deniz, student
The Netherlands, dy, August 28, 2003

Who is in the photo: shike said and his group
Where it was taken: i think in kurdistan (turkey)

canada, nouri@telus.net, August 11, 2003

Comment:
i would like to know what the men are getting ready to go to battle for is it freedom or a lesser rivelry

larry roy, united states of america, April 09, 2003

Who took the photo: either a French or a Germen journalist
Who is in the photo: eaither kurdish or arabian forces
Where it was taken: absolutley at the region of HARRAN ,nowadays this region known
When it was taken: 20TH CENTUARY

Harran is the the northest point of the arabian world. two nations share that region( arab&kurdish tribes) where some ZAZA tribes had been accommodated at that region by Ottoman forces. Harran tribes usually worked against Ottoman being beside their relative from the same tribes in the syrian land( ALEPPO & EZAZ). Those in photo mostly are a group of revolutionist against the French occupation in HARRAN region.

Bassam El omer, Foreign trade representative
Turkey, f_jasus@hotmail.com, March 27, 2003

Who took the photo: It could of been a German or a Turk
Who is in the photo: Kurdish forces that sided with the Ottomans
Where it was taken: Somewhere in Eastern Anatolia, possibly around Harran
When it was taken: I think around 1914-1918

In all honesty, from what I know, I saw this photo in one of the Armenian genocide books. These Kurdish tribesmen with the Ottoman Turkish army were ready to charge at Russian and Armenian forces. These guys agreed with the CUP, (Committee of Union and Progress).

Comment:
Well, knowing about this photo, I understand not all Kurdish people agreed with these tribesmen.

In my believe, these guys were naive, this is just my opinion. :-)

George, it's confidential
United States, iloveherbutt@earthlink.net, March 06, 2003

Who took the photo: probably some journalist
Who is in the photo: the heads of tribes
Where it was taken: probably north kurdistan (S.E. Turkey)
When it was taken: early 20th century

It looks like the heads of tribe from the Butan region of Kurdistan possing for an image...most likely are heads of tribe or top heads of one tribe

nezar, student
usa, denu1986@aol.com, December 29, 2002