We invite you to add your thoughts, ideas and comments about this website, the book Kurdistan: In the Shadow of History, or the traveling exhibition. After eight years of touring, the exhibit was displayed for the last time in Paris at the Hotel de Ville during the summer of 2004. An excerpt of the original show was presented at the International Center for Photography in New York, September 19, 2008–January 4, 2009; and at the Zilkha Gallery at Wesleyan University, Fall 2008.
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Subject: the USA
ez ji ber vî xebata we pîroz dikim û berdewam kirina xebatên usa bi çar çava hêvî dikim. Ji bo wî ji Xweda alîkarî dixwazim.
"Your honorable struggle is appreciated also the USA effort is very welcomed. I pray to God that you will succeed."
Muhamed Bawer, the believer and the one who belongs to Kurdistan
Submitted by: Muhemmed Bawer KURDY´STANÎ
E-mail: bawermend@nefel.com
Date: December 29, 2003
Subject: Well Done!
Well done all the Kurds who caught Saddam, the real heroes in the Iraq war! To my last post, I got in contact after months of searching with the Kurd who I met on my holidays. Made me so happy! Keep up the good work and Happy New Year!
Submitted by: Kieran
Date: December 26, 2003
What an amazingly well put together history map of a group of peoples who have had their histories hidden and their oral traditions of passing down histories with storytelling totally vindicated.
I am very very impressed and will revisit the site as well as buy the book!
Submitted by: Alexandra Mayn
Date: December 09, 2003
Subject: Kurdish history
I found your site while attempting a search that would tell me what a Kurd is, their history and culture, and how they became dispersed between (apparently) Turkey and Iraq. Your site is poignant, but I want to know more.
Submitted by: Patricia Jesson
Date: December 02, 2003
to the one who talks about annihilation of armenians.
i guess you are not a kurd from turkey, because if you are not isolated from the society or have a bias anyone knows that in world war 1 armenian gangs killed thousand of kurds in order to cleance the area to make it a "armenian land". ...
Submitted by: said
Date: November 30, 2003
Subject: The reality is a reality
To Daniel Kirkoryan !
It seems that all reasoning and arguments about the reality
of KURDISH people is not fanctioning with your logic.
So leave the kurds alone and try to find out how your ancentors Armenians were annihilated !
Submitted by: Argument
Date: November 26, 2003
I think the real problem is not the kurdish problem. but, why is the muslim world so poor and powerless? only after than, y´ guess kurdish problem will be resolved peacefully. i used to believe in allah, since i was born. but, nowadays y´ am wondering if allah exists. if allah is the creator of the universe does not it see how the followers of him are squeezed?
Submitted by: naim
Date: November 25, 2003
Subject: Unity in the Moslem World
I am only a Kurd by adoption but I feel heartbroken when I read all of the negativity regarding Kurds or the Kurdish Nation. These people cannot be nulified simply because there are those who would wish they did not exist. We all believe in Allah, whichever one of His many names we know Him by. We are all of us children of God. Who our descendents were or in whatever part of the world we live in. Do you really think that He says "I only love my Turkish sons and daughters" or "I only love my Kurdish or Armenian, or Jewish sons and daughters"? He has love for us all, cannot we find it in our hearts love for each other? I have lived among the Kurds, the Turks, the Turkimansaras, the Baluchi and the Baktiari. I have lived among the Armenians, the Jews and the Gentiles. Wonderful, Wonderful people without exception!!! Please, please let me read in this website some positive thoughts and feelings. With all of this "in-fighting" amongst Moslem people, no wonder there is so much war and fighting. How can this be a "holy war" when we fight amongst ourselves. Allah grant us all wisdom, kindness, good humour unity and love, Amen.
Submitted by: SHIRIN NAQSHBANDI
E-mail: CHERIKEE01@hotmail.com
Date: November 15, 2003
Subject: to rational thinker
hi!
y´ have a question to rational thinker. you say there is a kurdish reality. what do you mean by this? no one is claiming that there is no one called a "kurd". we only assert that they are part of our "turkish nation". and this nation is not constructed over ethnicity like some western european countries like Germany. please, listen us and then reply back.
ok?
E-mail: malcolmriver@yahoo.com
Date: November 13, 2003
Subject: Kurdish community
Kurdistan is beautiful, all the efforts now should be concentrated on how to build a physical and spiritual aspects of healthy civil society infrastructure signs.
In that we are in need of every expierence of the civilzed world.
Submitted by: Abdelkhaleq
Date: November 04, 2003
Subject: The Continued Kurdish Heritage
Your logic’s are interesting Mr. Yuge.
Archeologists have found the traces of ancient Halaf culture spread throughout the regions where Kurd peoples lived uninterruptedly through almost eternity. Here in scientific terms, the eternity may tantamount be approximately at least 12000 years. The designs and symbols of Halaf culture are still well preserved in the modern designs, symbols and culture of the modern Kurd peoples. What else can be construed as the continuation of the same culture?
Here I may like to add that some scholars suggest the presence of Uvaid culture in between the existence of Halaf and Hurrian cultures. Some consider it to be as contrasting evidence, suggesting the discontinuation of Halafi roots from the modern Kurdish existence during Uvaidian periods. I should not think so. The people who build the cultures and also helped others to build their respective cultures, could not have done it by destroying their own ancient past.
As the name itself suggests, the Uvaid culture must would have been some branch of the ancient Vaidic culture and was coupled in same rotational tandem with Halaf and Hurrian cultures. Where do we find the signs of manmade destruction among any of these cultures?
It should not be a matter of boasting, but plainly speaking how many cultures can name the ancient cultures like Halaf, Uvaid, Hurrian and Sindhi Mittani as their unbroken chain of direct ancestors. Sacred Mountains in those days were not the places of war and criminal occupations, rather they were supposed to be the meeting places of Sages and Gods and forums of fruitful exchange of valuable thoughts that may help develop the mankind in a right direction in the long way. Such an environment still prevails in the sense that the mountainous peoples in spite of the hardships being faced are the brave, truthful and tolerant peoples, all at the same time.
So I do not have an iota of evidence to feel that the proud Kurdish Brothers and Sisters can be looked down in any way as regards the matters of an ancient and continued cultural heritage.
Submitted by: K.N.Janapi
Date: November 02, 2003
Subject: KURDS EXIST
HELLO :)
SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, TURKEY BELONGS TO THE TURKS, AND THERE IS NO KURDISTAN? ISN'T THERE 4 PARTS OF KURDISTAN? IN TURKEY, IN IRAQ, IN SYRIA, AND IN IRAN. ISN'T THERE SOME KURDS IN RUSSIA?
I AM SORRY BUT THE WHOLE THERE OF NO KURDS IS JUST NOT GETTING TO ME! HOW COULD THERE NOT BE ANY KURDS? SO THE HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE CALLED "KURDS" ARE JUST FIGMENT OF PEOPLES IMAGINATION? WOW THATS PRETTY INTERESTING! ....
THE TURKS KNOW THAT A PART OF TURKEY BELONGS TO KURDS BUT THEY ARE DENYING IT. ITS LIKE A FAT KID TAKING SOMEONE'S CAKE AND DENYING IT! WHAT NONSENSE! YOU CAN NOT HIDE FROM THE TRUTH!
YOU KNOW WHAT WHOEVER THINKS THAT KURDS DONT EXIST CAN EMAIL ME AT KCHIKURD11@YAHOO.COM. I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK KURDS DONT EXIST. I KNOW THE TURKS ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXISTANCE OF KURDS.
Submitted by: ANONYMOUS
Date: October 30, 2003
Subject: I'm so glad!
I'm very glad to see that the kurds have a such good web-site. I'm from Iraq. My mother is kurd and father is from Egypt. I live in Sweden now. I'm really glad after the last war. God bless the Kurds and all the freedom fighters!
Submitted by: Mohamad Kaivan
Date: October 28, 2003
Subject: To Rational Thinker
I read your respond to Ayse Richmond.And highly recommend you answer all of her questions not just the ones you have information.
And for those who still claimed the reality of Kurds and Kurdistan.You are so blind and two faced.I totally agree with the decisions of Ayse Richmond.
Submitted by: Daniel Kirkoryan
Date: October 24, 2003
Subject: kurdish issue
hi!
in fact, i am not in a position of the acts of turkish government. i am sure that they have done many harmful things. the destruction of villages is a bad thing but the massacre of thousands of kurds by PKK is much worse.
i think Turkey aims to found a nation-state and i guess kurdish identitiy is seen as an obstacle to it. however, i do not think so. kurdish identity, is something which will enrich and strengthen turkish culture if it is behaved appropriately. because, according to turkish constitution, no matter what your ethnicity is if you have a citizenship, you are assumed to be turkish.
please read and listen more. you should not be misinformed by blind american and european controlled media.by the way, i wrote my e-mail adress. i am ready to discuss with anyone about this kurdish issue as long as it is on civilised grounds
BYE
Submitted by: salih
E-mail: malcolmriver@yahoo.com
Date: October 23, 2003
Subject: KURDISH PEOPLE
I love this site i'm kurdish living in canada and i enjoyed reading all the stories. they where sad but great.My mother says that the stories match to hers almost exactly. My family was in the gulf war but we fled and went to Turkey then Athens Greece where we lived for 7 years. I love my people and hopefully one day i can go back to where i was born which is zakho north iraq.
i love the site maybe ill send one of my stories
Submitted by: jihan ismail
E-mail: girlygirl69_ca@hotmail.com
Date: October 23, 2003
Subject: Ancient Kurd Culture...
Respected Janapi:
What is your opinion? Many respected scholars seem to be of the opinion that there was no culture in ancient Kurdistan. Also they feel like thinking that Kurdish people themselves never had any culture.
I mean the growth of literacy need not to be associated with ignorance of the past cultures.
As far as I know, Kurdish people belong mainly to the Great and Ancient Hurrian culture centralized around Kurdish Mountainous Region since about 5000 BC. This culture was further enriched with contacts of the friendly Mittani Empire, as many pockets of Mittani Empire were operative from 1500 BC onwards from Sindh to Harmenia, especially in the Mountainous Regions.
Hittites Empire had a mixed love and hate relationship with the Kurdish Peoples. The reason was that the Hittites peoples themselves had lost their bearings and were in perpetual search for their lost Hattisthan or what the people now tend to call it as their Autochthon. Hurriyan Peoples never presented this dilemma.
It is very easy to understand the ancient relationships between Huriyana and Hurriyan, also between the Kuru dynasty of Kings, Kurd Peoples and KuruChhetra.
Before 9600 BC, the Kurd Peoples belonged to the Halaf Culture, which may be a part of the Great Confederacy of the Emeleus (Himalayas) Kingdoms spread along Himalayan and Caucasus Mountains from SE Asia to Harmenia.
Ancient Mountainous Peoples and their Sages brought and taught the languages and culture to the Peoples of the Lands, Rivers and Seas. It is being understood that the Sages from ancient Kudish City of Godhan were the founders of the ancient city of Hurish or Huric or Ur.
When the Mountainous Peoples started building their own sacred Mountains or Meru i.e. Pyramids and Ziggurats in the deserts, then the Mountainous Regions were cut off from the so-called flow of the neo-culture after 3102 BC.
It is very sad, that an IE language like Kurdish is sometimes being considered as a cocktail of many other unrelated languages. Certainly this may be due to the longstanding democratic and absorbing nature of the Kurd Peoples, who learned something from everything that they came in contact with, during the large period of their civilization. Obviously this quality although justified, would have created some misunderstandings in the minds of some temporary victors. Even Haqeem Lokmanya did not have any medicine for the treatment of such or similar misunderstandings.
Submitted by: S. Y. Yuge
Date: October 20, 2003
Subject: To: Ayse Richmond
To Ayse Richmond !
Ayse the way you put forward your arguments is not constructive, because you see the kurdish question not as a question with its merits , but as a question of a constucted so called "nation- State " Turkey. It will be a good idea if you try to see the matter as a real thing and put forward ways of its solution.
You are writing very naively, you boost that the AKP government has rejected the offer of dimised regime of Saddam Hussein to joinly annihilate kurds? if there is a slightest sincerity in this statement of Gul, why did not he expose the proposal on time ?
Are not you aware that at least 4000 villages have been
destroyed by Turkish Army and their kurdish inhabitants have been forced to leave their homes ? Are not you aware that the establishment in Turkey are even afraid of Kurdish phonems such as /Q/, /X/ , /W/ ?
Try to put yourself just for a few minutes in my place then you will start to think otherwise. The door is open for understanding.
Submitted by: A rational thinker
E-mail: Accept Kurdish reality@NOW.com
Date: October 16, 2003
Subject: The State Of Kurdistan.
struggle of the kurds is well known through out the world. and the suppression of this tribal people and torture under the iraqi tyrant saddam! gone now and all are hoping that something better in iraq and neighbouring countries can be done establishment of the kurds own state or country.
Submitted by: annonomous
E-mail: kev@ScienceFuture.Com
Date: October 16, 2003
Subject: QUESTIONS OF A TURKISH?
KURDISH PEOPLE OF THIS SITE,
YOUR SO CALLED COUNTRY KURDISTAN INCLUDES NOT ONLY TURKEY BUT IRAN, IRAQ , SYRIA AS WELL...SO WHY ARE YOU ALL ENEMIES OF TURKEY? (WHICH IS NOT PERFECT BUT IF YOU COMPARE, ITS THE MOST DEMOCRATIC OF ALL THESE COUNTRIES AND THERE ARE KURDS IN THE PARLIEMENT AS WELL)
WHY AREN'T YOU FIGHTING WITH IRAN, SYRIA AND IRAQ TOO?
WHERE IS IRAQ'S PKK?
WHERE ARE THE BOMBINGS IN IRAN?
WHY DON'T YOU GO AND BOMB A SHOPPING MALL IN SYRIA?
WHY DO YOU GUYS STOP BEING KURDISH WHEN YOU HAVE MONEY IN TURKEY AND HAVE A GOOD LIFE, BUT REMEMBER AGAIN, WHEN YOU GO BANKRUPT AND DECIDE TO LIVE IN EUROPE, AND GO TO EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND LIE ABOUT BEING ABUSED IN TURKEY JUST TO GET THEIR VISAS?
WHY DO YOU GUYS COME TO AMERICA TO STUDY, WITH THE SCHOLARSHIP YOU TAKE FROM TURKISH GOVERMENT THAT YOU HATE, THE GOVERMENT THAT GIVES YOU THE SCHOLARSHIP WITHOUT EVEN ASKING WHAT YOU ARE AND NOT CARING WHAT YOU ARE?
WHY DO YOU GUYS GO TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND LIE AND SAY THAT YOU WERE ABUSED EVEN TOUGH YOU WERE RAISED IN ISTANBUL OR MAYBE IN ANKARA?
WHY DID SYRIA SUPPORTED PKK AND ABDULLAH OCALAN IF KURDISTAN INCLUDES A PART OF SYRIA?
ARE SYRIANS TOO STUPID TO SUPPORT A GROUP WHICH WANTS TO TAKE THEIR COUNTRY AS WELL?
DO YOU REALLY WANT US TO BELEIVE AND RESPECT YOU GUYS WHEN YOU GUYS SUPPORT APO AND PKK AND WRITE GOOD THINGS ABOUT HIM HERE?
WHAT DID YOU FEEL WHEN YOU HEARD THE APO SAYING THAT HE IS GONNA DO WHATEVER HE CAN TO HELP TURKIYE AND GONNA TRY TO BE A USEFUL CITIZEN FOR TURKEY AT THE MOMENT HE WAS COUGHT?
IN WHAT WAY WAS PKK NOT A TERROSIST GROUP BUT A DEFENDER OF KURDISTAN WHEN THEY WERE KILLING KURDISH PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME IN SOUTHERN TURKEY?
WHAT DO THINK ABOUT SADDAM ASKING TURKEY TO COOPERATE WITH HIM TO KILL ALL THE KURDS IN THE REGION TOGETHER FOR 15 YEARS BUT TURKEY REFUSING IT?
WHAT ARE YOUR OPERATIONS OR ACTIVITIES AGAINST THE OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAS OTHER PARTS OF YOUR SO CALLED COUNTRY?
DO YOU REALLY THINK TURKEY IS JUST SIMPLY GONNA HAND OVER TO THOSE LANDS?
Submitted by: Ayse Richmond
Date: October 15, 2003
Do you know who is opressing kurds. Your beloved USA. who gave Saddam to use weapons to kill people from kurdish origin? Who is using kurds to rule the arabs in the Iraq and Turkey. The strategy is clear. Use one ethnic group againist them by giving promises so that they rule the midlle east forever.
Also, do you think that democracy grow in trees or what. How can a region which has no nation but great many tribes form a democracy? Go on dreaming but do not forget that KURDS, TURKS, AND ARABS BROTHERHOOD is the only one which is true. Do not let Westerns to use you.
Submitted by: ali
Date: October 09, 2003
Subject: Teaching American 6th graders
Thank you for this site. I was really ill informed of your countrymen and women. How can America help you.
Submitted by: Daniel West
E-mail: writerwest@aol.com
Date: October 03, 2003
Subject: see the reality
to all visiters of this site.
I am asking to everybody. Who killed to Armenian population in Elazig, Diyaribekir, Mus, van harput and sulehmanije which allegedly said that there are mostly populated with kurds, at the moment? Please visite the web site of ani@aaainc.org.
Submitted by: pars
E-mail: parsasiyan
Date: October 02, 2003
Subject: Great Armenia & Oil...........
In Turkish:"Unutmayin ki bati Kurtler'in yuzune bayilmiyor.Sizi sadece kullaniyorlar ve olmayacak seylerin sozunu veriyorlar. Petrol disindaki diger hedefleri de Buyuk Ermenistan. Ermeniler Turkler'den alamayacaklari topragi daha kolay bir yolla, yani kurulacak sozde Kurt devletinden alacaklar. Size yedirmezler, Unutmayin ki siz Muslumansiniz."
In English:"Do not forget the western world never likes Kurds.They only exploit you and give impossible promises. Their second aim other than oil is to found a Great Armenia. Armenians are unable to get land from Turks, so they will be given the land they want via an easier way, that is, the land thay want will be given to them from the so-called Kurdish state by the Western world. Do not forget: You are Muslims. The West is never in your favour in the long-term. The past of especially Anglo-saxons is full of genocide and massacres such as they did to Red-indians and Aborigines"
Submitted by: A Turk
E-mail: freestyler_turk@hotmail.com
Date: October 01, 2003
Subject: The D. R. Kurdistan
Now who are oppressing the Kurdish Brothers in any of the four parts of the One and only One Kurdistan? The evil oppressors can not go for long... South East of Harmania and up to North of Persia, There is to be Kurdistan... The Democratic Republic of Kurdistan...
Submitted by: K.N.Janapi
Date: October 01, 2003
Subject: Thank you
Thank you for having a site about Kurdistan, it's history and it's people. I, as a young Kurdish girl living in a country far away from Kurdistan, do not have a lot of information about my roots. So, therefor I find this page as an source to my Kurdish roots. Thank you! Long Live Kurdistan and Kurdistans' culture life!
Submitted by: Gülistan Yorulmaz
E-mail: jazzforthesoul@hotmail.com
Date: October 01, 2003
Subject: i am not fool
Hi! First of all y´ want to start by saying that i am also a kurd livin in Turkey. But, unlike other simple-minded people i do not believe even one part of your claims. There may be human right violations in Turkey, but why do not you talk about the harm PKK did to people who are from kurdish origin. Vast majority of the people PKK slaughtered were Kurdish. Why don't you talk about the western interests and their imperialistic aims? I know why. Because you are being funded with them. According to you Palestinians are terrorists but kurds are freedom fighters. NO! We are not fool. You can not cheat us with that kind of games.
DAMN WITH THE WESTERN IMPERIALISM!
DAMN WITH THE NEO-COLONIALISM!
FREE PALESTINIA!
THE BROTHERHOOD OF EASTERN PEOPLES WILL SURVIVE!
Submitted by: saih
Date: September 27, 2003
Subject: i would like to add my story
I AM A KURDISH MALE IN THE UK
MY STORY IS ALL ABOUT THE CRUEL AND THE SUFFERING that the kurdish population have seen and i am a part of it.
i calimed asylum here in the uk on 29/01/2003/ on religious grounds after i escaped from the syrian government on 15/12/2002/. all my fault was i wanted to practice the religion that i belong to and it's yezidi. the home office believes that the syrian government excepts all the religions on there own land and they are very democratic regime espacilly in the religious cases which is absolutly far from the truth. i got refused in may and i appeald against the decision and am still waiting since i didnt get any positive point in my interview because the home office believes that syria is one of the new developed countries in the world as they said.
i am ready to go back and get execuited if that what they want but i want to know first where the uk government is getting that information from because it's absoutly fake and false and so far from the truth.
i want to add my story to your website and tell the world and the people who think the same way that the truth is different from what the syrian propaganda shows them,
my best regards
SHIVAN
Submitted by: shivan
E-mail: shivan20005@yahoo.com
Date: September 27, 2003
Subject: Five Regions of Kurdistan
There are at last count (1979) about 3 million Kurds in Russia. It is difficult to keep count of all of the Kurds as they are a nomadic people. Some extensively nomadic and others are semi-nomad. Throughout history rulers have tried to control the population of 'unpopular' people by relocating whole villages such as what happened in Kirkuk when the Iraqi government moved out all of the Kurds and moved in equal amounts of Arabs.
One family, that I know very well, were just sitting down for breakfast when the troops came and herded them all into trucks and unloaded a truckload of Arabs. The Arabs sat down to the hot meal and the Kurds were taken to the empty Arab village where everything had been taken that could be carted off. Also pogams such as the village that was mustard gased and then bulldozed under.
How can we keep track of the population of the Kurds when things like this happen?
Submitted by: SHIRIN NAQSHBANDI
Date: September 25, 2003
HEY YOU TURKISH PEOPLE!
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE KURDS HAVE TO TELL YOU... WE ARE NOT TRYING TO TAKE TURKEY?????? WE JUST WANT OUR PART AND THATS ABOUT IT. THERE ARE FOUR PARTS OF KURDISTAN, KURDISTAN IN TURKEY, KURDISTAN IN SYRIA, KURDISTAN IN IRAQ,AND KURDISTAN IN IRAN....
Submitted by: DONT WORRY ABOUT IT
Date: September 20, 2003
Subject: Cats and the Kurdish People
The photographs tell of a people who do not hate, therefore they can truly enjoy life, in spite of the hatred directed at them.
I have heard that the Kurds are keepers of a cat called the "Turkish Van" which is found in the Lake Van area in Turkey; and to destroy the Kurds, the "Ararat Cats" are being slaughtered.
The cat so respected by the Kurds, is the only swimming cat in the world and thought to be from a pair of cats Noah saved and had on the ark.
What a charming story. Any truth to it?
Do you have photos of these swimming cats so loved by the Kurdish people?? (And thought by many to be the fore fathers of all domestic cats)?
Submitted by: Shay McCord
E-mail: asabaldwin@msn.com
Date: September 19, 2003
Subject: YASASIN / LIFE FOR/ -Kurdistan
Hello my lovely KURDS . I love you all from Kurdistan. I´m very very sad what happened all the last years to kurdish people . But i say we all must only fight against the turks and the time will come and we will be independend . Please don´t give up my lovely people . My NAME is KORAY VOLKAN and I come from Germany. My Family comes from the wild mountains of Kurdistan:
From ERZINCAN-Kemah,-CAYIRLI, DERSIM-PÜLLÜMÜR and SIVAS-ZARA. I´´m very proud of being a kurd and i have no fear of nobody. i always say the truth to my frinds that I come from KURDISTAN and the accept me how i am....
BUT I WILL ALWAYS STAY FOR KURDISTAN.YASASIN ERZINCAN, DERSIM, SIVAS VE TÜM KÜRDISTAN.
EZ DIBEM: BIJI BIJI KÜRDISTAN SEROKEME ÖCALAN.
EZ TIRKIYE QUNE DENIM ERZINJANE, DERSIM, SIVAS, BIJIE
Submitted by: KORAY VOLKAN
E-mail: www. Munzurboykoray@hotmail.com
Date: September 18, 2003
Subject: Kurdish Cultural Centre
The Kurdish Cultural Centre's website is a good link to this site, since it is related to the contents seen here.
The Kurdish Cultural Centre was established in May 1985 as a community organisation which aims to preserve and promote the ethnic identity, cultural and traditions of the Kurds. The KCC was the first Kurdish Community Centre established in the UK.
Please visit the Kurdish Cultural Centre - London UK at: http://www.kcclondon.org/
E-mail: admin@kcclondon.org
Date: September 15, 2003
Subject: ALL CHILDREN OF GOD
I went over the submissions made by other people. I would like to say that I lived for almost five years among the Kurds, Turks, Armenians, Toleshi, Gilaki, Bakhtiari, Turkimans and many others between 1976 and 1979 in Iran. Each tribe had it's own culture and language. It was mentioned a number of times that Kurdish is a non-existing language as it is made up of Arabic-Turkish-Farsi etc. If you look at the English language; it too is made up of Arabic and Latin among others.
I first learned Farsi, then Turkish (Azarbijan) then Kurdish. I found many similarities. Gilaki is made up of Farsi-Turkish and Kurdish words. I understood much of Gilaki although it is frontwards instead of backwards. Like French. In Gilaki you say "my mother". In Farsi you say "mother of mine". I lived with a prominant Kurdish Family who had also married among the Toleshi tribe. The Toleshi orginated in Kurdistan 400 years prior to my meeting them and had intermarried with the local Turks in the Toleshi Provence in Northern Iran. Each tribe I associated with had different customs although they were both sunni and shia moslems. The Toleshi language is so difficult to learn that sometimes they never learn Farsi and I found the people in Iran were multilingual in most cases.
The government of Turkey claims that there are no Kurds in Turkey. Only Turks who have forgotten their own language. I have been in Turkey's Kurdistan. Beleive me there are a GREAT many Kurds in Turkey. I love the people of the middle east. I was treated equally well in Turkey by the Turks as I was the Kurds and the Iranians. God loves us, do you think that He cares what names we go by? I am part American Native, Irish, English, German, French, Dutch and probably more that I am unaware of. I am Naqshbandi and a Kurd by adoption, but only because a wonderful man saw the need of me to have a father, even though I was a grown woman at the time. Give me world peace, love of all men for one another and an end to bickering and love of God.
Submitted by: Shirin Naqshbandi
E-mail: CHERIKEE01@hotmail.com
Date: September 09, 2003
Subject: Bye Bye
Your Kurdýstan dream will never happen.
Turkey won't let you
Submitted by: Sizene
Date: September 08, 2003
Subject: How my life has changed.
I have just returned from Turkey and one of the people working in the resteraunt was a Kurd. He had 9 brothers and 1 sister. He told me all about his family, how much he made(€180 a month) and the hours he worked (14 hrs of work without a break). He made me and my family feel very welcome and after he told us that the owner gives out to him for talking to customers I couldnt believe it. His leg was destroyed and he wasnt even given a rest. One day he was made stay until 5am to make coffee for the new visitors. It takes 2 weeks to get from southwest Turkey to his home by bus. On the last few days he was very upset and his leg got worse. He wasnt allowed discuss why he was upset or else he would be sacked and wouldnt be able to support his family in Kurdistan.
I returned this morning to find that Kurds were being driven out of towns and being killed. This really hit me. When I left I almost felt like bringing the man with me. He made my holiday extra special and he got no recognition. I wanted to get him something to show my appreciation for my 2 weeks there but his boss was watching so I couldnt even say goodbye. I even noticed that I was the only person to say thank you to the guy. Even that made him feel appreciative.
As I return from my holiday I now want to donate money to a Kurdish charity and do all I can to make people like him get the treatment they deserve. His story has changed my life forever.
Submitted by: Kieran
Date: August 25, 2003
Subject: thank u
i think that this site is a best kurdish site(about kurdish history i mean) ........ thank u thank u
Submitted by: ranjmufty
E-mail: ranjmufty@yahoo.com
Date: August 24, 2003
Subject: Critics about our selves
No wonder why we kurds, are not able to rise to the position of other nations. Speaking about good views of kurdish like Politics, culture, behaviour ...etc. There should be downfolds of our life that lead us to most of the calamaties.
Where are the critics, which for sure lead to victory? Why we should be quiet and not write about them? is it because of the fact that majorety of the Kurdish media have its interests under control of the rolling kurdish poletical, cultural or economic powers?
As Kurds, although we experianced more international and local power, why all those Kurds came to exile during the past 10 years? What were the differences in Iraqi Kurdistan apart from ugly phenomina of Successor Iraqi Governments, ARABIZATION?
Submitted by: Peshko Rusul
Date: August 17, 2003
Subject: Dream is good for the health
Dear Hesso,
Good to hear you.Anyway according to me,you are in hopeless category with Azad how ever i want to respond you.
-Where are the kurdish people's protests and meetings are mainly organising?
in France,Germany,Belgium,Netherlands,Italy,UK
-Where is the headquarters of Kurdish Television
in Belgium
-What is the name of the body you always give your complaint files and sheets?
European Union Parliament(I have a friend working in there,he says every week they receive hundreds of complaint files from Kurdish people)
So not me,you stop to tell your innocent theories.
Submitted by: Daniel Kirkoryan
Date: August 03, 2003
Subject: i want to hear actual info
... WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE IS NO KURDISTAN? ARE YOU KIDDING YOURSELVES? I MEAN, IS THIS ALL A JOKE? IF IT IS, ITS NOT FUNNY. ITS ALL VERY DISTURBING! WHERE DO YOU ALL GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM? IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING STUPIDER THAN , THERE IS NO KURDS OR KURDISTAN! ...
MR. DANE WODEN, IF YOU DONT MIND ME SAYING SO, I SUGGEST YOU PUT SOME ACTUAL INFORMATION TOGETHER THAN DISCUSS IT WITH THESE PEOPLE!! THERE WAS SOME PARTIAL TRUTH IN WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN, DONT GET ME WRONG. IT REALLY HURTS ME TO SEE SOME PEOPLE BE SO STUPID. I AM SORRY, I MUST HAVE BEEN SLEEPING OR SOMETHING BUT WHEN DID THE KURDISH PEOPLE SAY TURKEY BELONGS TO US. THERE IS SOMETHING IN KURDISH "AGAR NAZANY GOO BKHOY, MAYKHO". OH YEAH WHEN THE UNITED STATES IS FINISHED WITH DESTROYING SADDAM, WATCH OUT TURKEY, ITS GONNA BE A BUMPY RIDE....
THE MAP THAT IS SHOWN IN THIS SITE IS ABSOLUTLY CORRECT. WE HAVE OUR OWN PART IN TURKEY, ONE OF THESE DAYS WE WILL HAVE IT BACK. FROM THE MOMENT KURDS MET TURKS, THEY HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM UNTIL NOW. ...
Submitted by: dont have one
E-mail: ilovekurds@always.com
Date: August 02, 2003
Subject: To Daniel from Hesso
Hi Daniel. Its me again, Hesso.
Please stop making theories about a conspiracy of the European Union against your beloved Turkey. To support the global strategy of USA, especially in these days, is not a very wise decision. It only shows the way you think. Supporting the struggle for independence/autonomy is not conspiracy.
I think you should learn more about the world and clean your mind of all these false theories.
Submitted by: Hesso
Date: July 31, 2003
I haven't written for a long time, but i see that the great, peace lover,innocent patriot kurdish friends did not stop to tell their wonderful,historical and scientific truths.
I want to begin my comments from Lyman.
Dear Lyman,its normal that the Kurds in Canada has no problem with Turks.Because Either Canada or USA dont use the Kurds for their aims in Middle East or Northern Iraq(at least not not as much as Europe)However The European countries has a really sly ,secret political games on Kurdish people.Thats why big Kurdish protests organising in Germany,France,Italy..etc But our innocent Kurdish friends think that Europe and European Union love them.One day they will realize the truth but it will be so late for them.
Dear Dane Woden,
Although you have some mistakes, i agree with most of your opinions.I am glad that at last a European saw the truths,and real face of Kurds.And for me there is no problem of your CAPITAL LETTERS.Because someone doesnt understand with lower case letters.
Dear Azad,you are hopeless.so sorry whatever i say to you will not work.
And one more important subject to whom believe that Abdullah Ocalan is a Kurdish patriot is also responsible of the murdering of 30.000 soldiers,teachers,doctors,children.....
Dear Azad,Hesso and the other Kurdish friends.Why you never mentioned about this.Because according to you,just Kurdish people innocent and true.Turkish government spent
Submitted by: Daniel Kirkoryan
Date: July 26, 2003
In this globalized age,
My people (Turkish, Kurdish, Armenian) who have been lived for thousand years together, shared culture, tradition and customs are still fighting for a land in the name of independence.
We pained a lot last 20 years. Thousands and thousands people died.
PLEASE STOP THIS TRAGEDY
STOP THIS MEANINGLESS PLANS AND MAPS
AND TRY TO PUT ONE MORE STONE FOR THE PEACE AND WEALTH OF THIS REGION
STOP TALKING ABOUT “WHAT IS THE ROOT OF THIS?” ,” WHO COMES FROM WHERE?” ETC.
AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND “HOW SIMILAR WE ARE”
We shared this land for thousand years and TODAY we need to be very CAREFUL and WISE to share thousand years more in the future.
PLEASE PLEASE AND PLEASE "BE AND ACT WISELY"
Thank You…
Submitted by: yunus
Date: July 26, 2003
votre site est tres bien fait. felicitations
Date: July 23, 2003
slm
bu sayfayi görünce cok sevindim su an okuldayim ve alman ögretmenlerime hep kurdistanda bas ederim onlara günesin couklarin anlatirdim,ve onlarda kürdler üzerine daha cok sey örenmek istiyorlardi ve bu sayfa cikinca cok sevindim ama mahlesef inglizce bilmiyorum,bana türkce veya almanca bu sayfadakileini göndere bilirmisiniz
saygilar berfin
Translation Courtesy Martin van Bruinessen:
When I saw this website I enjoyed it much. I am in school now and I am speaking to my teachers all the time about Kurdistan. I have told them about the children of the sun, and they wanted to learn more about the Kurds. When this website came up I was very happy but unfortunately I do not know English. Can you send me the content of these pages in Turkish or German?
Submitted by: berfin
E-mail: gulecan@hotmail.com
Date: July 23, 2003
Subject: Debate
To Dane Woden !
Reading your baseless claim about what is a nation , makes a sound minded person deeply indignant.When there are thousands of books published in kurdish, and millions of people speaking in kurdish. how reasonably you dare to deny the existence of kurdish.
You are imagining things due to your lack of knowledge of what is a language.
Come to your senses.
Submitted by: Here Come the peace loving KURD
E-mail: Turk@accept kurd. NOW
Date: July 22, 2003
Subject: reply to mr woden
dear mr dane woden
i think you agree that it is too difficult for an old man to explain the history to a kid.
western europe people are historically kids, while in the same time trying to write history of other nations who are much older than them, funny isn't it!!!
how you can speak about your grandfather's background better than him!!!!
to help you to learn how to deal with your historical grandfather,please follow the following steps to find out the truth.
1-select a named advanced dictionary or encyclopedia and search for the kurds.
2-go in the internet and find what is the comments of xenophon about the kurds.in a time when there was no turk/arab/persian in the region.
3-go through eu official requests from turkey to respect basic rights of kurds in turkey.
i have a question for you (you can reply on this page)how european think that they have discovered america-australia-new zealand.there really was no human when they arrived on those places, and really those people had no civilizations older than europeans?
think deeply.
Submitted by: azad
Date: July 10, 2003
Subject: To Hesso
To Hesso !
If you want to be taken seriously while you put forward
arguments in support of kurdish cause, logically it is
expected from you to speak with respect and gratitude of a person who more than any other person has served kurdish people and kurdish cause. and that is Abdulla Ocalan.
So next time give more attention to words that you use!
Remember he is imprisoned for the sake of you and me and freedom loving people whorld over !
Take Care !
Submitted by: A peaceful kurd
E-mail: Releas Ocalan @ right.now
Date: July 04, 2003
Its a wonderful site and the kurdish refugees could present a section of their own i'm sure as we have a lot of kurds recently arrived in britain in the past 5 years
Submitted by: ellen clarke
Date: June 26, 2003
IN AWAY YOUR WEBSITE IS COMPLETELY IMAGINATIVE,SINCE IT IS BASED AND BUILT ON AN IMAGINATIVE STORY OF A "CROWD OF PEOPLE" THERE IS NO RACE AS "KURDISH" AS IT IS WELL KNOWN TO YOU AS IT IS TO ME, THERE IS NOT EVEN A NATION SO AS CALLED EITHER. THE MAP WHICH YOU INVENTED IS NOT OF REALITY AND THE BOUNDARIES, WHICH YOU CLAIM TO HAVE, HAVE BEEN UNDER THE CONTROL OF SUMERIAN, THE PERSIAN, THE OTTOMAN AND AT THE VERY END OF TURKISH REPUBLIC.
THE (INVENTED) NATION THAT YOU CLAIMED TO EXIST DOES NOT EVEN SPEAK A LANGUAGE OF THEIR OWN. THE LANGUAGE CALLED "KURDISH" IS A MIXTURE OF THE THREE LANGUAGES: ARABIC, PERSIAN AND TURKISH.
ALSO WITH THIS YOU CANNOT CLAIM THERE IS A SEPARATE EXISTENCE FROM THE INHABITANTS OF THE REGION.
MOST OF ALL, THE "KURDISH CULTURE", IN THE SAME WAY, IS NOTHING BUT A MIXTURE OF THE THREE NATIONS.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, BEFORE THE PERIOD OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE THERE CANNOT BE TOLD OF ANY PEOPLE AS "KURDISH".
DURING THE CONTROL OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE, SINCE THEY WERE NEGLECTED, ALL PEOPLE, WHO WERE SUBJECTED TO THE PADISCHACH AND LIVING AWAY FROM THE CAPITAL ISTANBUL, THE ANCIENT CONSTANTINAPOLE, SEPARATED CULTURALLY AND LOCAL SPEAKING. AND THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE SOUTH-WEST OF THE ASIA MINOR GOT ACCUSTOMED TO THE PERSIAN AND ARABIC CULTURES AND LANGUAGES. SO THE "KURDISH" PEOPLE IS FOR ONLY A FEW HUNDRED YEARS OF EXISTENCE.
AS A LAST POINT I WANT TO ADD, IBRAHIM TATLISES, WHO DEFINES AND DECLARES HIMSELF AS KURDISH AS FAR AS I KNOW, IS THE MOST POPULAR SINGER IN TURKEY AND HIS ALBUMS ARE SELLING RECORDS!
IF TURKISH PEOPLE HAD ANY DISCRIMINATION AGAINST KURDISH PEOPLE, HOW COULD IBRAHIM TATLISES GET THIS POSITION OF SUCCESS? IT WOULD BE ILLOGICAL
SO WE CAN REACH A CONCLUSION THIS "KURDISH" NATIONALISM WHICH IN FACT PROVOKED THE DISCRIMINATION IN ITSELF IS NOTHING BUT A WAY TO DIVIDE AND TO EXPLOIT THE PEOPLE LIVING TURKEY, HOWEVER THEY DEFINE THEMSELVES
WITH RESPECT AND HOPE OF SEEING THIS PIECE OF WRITING ON YOUR "COMMENTS PAGE"
DANE WODEN
Submitted by: dane woden
E-mail: danewoden@yahoo.co.uk
Date: June 23, 2003
Subject: Response to comment by Dane
I just read Dane Woden's comments.
There is no doubt that from a particular perspective, there is SOME truth in what he says.
However, there is deception here. No doubt he wants to keep it hidden, but there appears to be an element of distain, and the whole effect of his comment seems to me to be mean spirited. "Reading between the lines" one can see that he dismisses Kurds and Kurdish as of no cultural importance, and his comments appear to me, to reflect his negative bias.
IN making his points, which have a small element of validity I think, Dane could have been more honest and tolerant.
There is an English expression (as in all languages no doubt) about "walking in another man's shoes". I think than a kind and evolved modern human must constantly strive to walk in another's shoes. I have spent some real time in Turkey with kind people who are not particularly political in nature, and I heard not one word about the Kurds. Here in Toronto I number Turks and Kurds amongst my friends (teaching English allows me to meet diverse ethnic groups) and there is little or no intolerance between them. Au contraire. The Turkish Kurds for the most part are proud to be Turkish AND Kurds, although there is a lingering sadness at what they say is inappropriate treatment of some Kurds. And especially of political and other prisoners by the military.
So life goes on, and hopefully we evolve into better humans. In my own historical ancestry, there was a time when one could be put to death for theft or "blasphemy" and other minor matters that rankled those in power. Some societies, some cultures still commit such atrocities.
Hopefully, we will evove eventually into beings closer to what the self righteous among us claim to be, doing unto other what we would want others to do unto us, in other words, apply what every religion holds most important, "The Golden Rule of brotherly love.
By the way, Dane, did no one tell you that using CAPITAL letters in Email is considered SHOUTING! ?? It is impolite to shout.
Cheers, Lyman in Toronto
Submitted by: Lyman Gifford
E-mail: spam-no@sympatico.ca
Date: June 23, 2003
Subject: silve u sipas
woww I didn't think that I would come across a very rich webpage in kurdish culture, I really thank you for your effort, and my best wishes.
Submitted by: M. Bamerni
E-mail: bamerni@hotmail.com
Date: June 10, 2003
Subject: To Daniel
To Daniel:
Hi I am Hesso again. I suppose you did not read my comment from May 22nd. Anyway it was not dedicated to you. This one is for you.
As the both of us do not natively speak english, our mistakes shall be excused. I am amazed how you interprete history. As an Armenian you should know that Abdullah Ocalan does not speak any kurdish natively. I think you intended not to mention that he is of armenian origin. I agree with you that Ocalan can easily be called a murder. I am (as a patriotic kurd) against him. This does not, however, rule out that I support the right of Kurds for an autonomy, as this is the only guarantee that we will be able to practice our rights and culture adequately.
As I am an Austrian citizen I think the south tyrolian way is a very good one. South tyrol was taken from Austria after the 1st world war and given to Italy. The people there still have german as an official language in schools. They celebrate their old tradition on every occasion. They do not rebel against Italy as they don't feel that their rights are lost. If your precious turkey would give the Kurds the same rights we would not have discussed this matter here.
I dont think that you are against Kurds, but I think that turkish school system has blinded you to the truth.
Think better about life. Many things are not as they may seem.
Concerning the 12000 years of history. That is true that humans lived in this area at this time. But they were not called kurds, turks or anything. Kurdish history started about 4000-6000 years ago with the Halaf kingdom. Halaf are thought to be the godfathers or todays Kurds. If you dont believe me you are referred different books about kurdish history. Please don't read any books published in our countries as they may lack objectivity. There are good american books published on this issue. If you wish I can give some titles in another message, as I don't remember the authors by heart.
Kind regards
Hesso
Submitted by: Hesso
Date: June 09, 2003
Subject: To Daniel
To Daneil !
It seems that reminding you of your armenian root had some effect,as you exoress your self as one. I am not asking you to develop hate on the basis of the pogrom which was carried out against armenians, but I am saying you should try to be more open minded vis-a-vis all various cultures and identities which exist in the area, among them Kurdish identity and culture.
You should understand that modern politics is based on balance of forces, so historical past could hardly account in modern politics, so the way things develop in the Middle - East, Northern Kurdistan and Turkey are not in favour of archaic idealogies such as Kemalism.
Be open minded and freed from hatred and flag up for the friendship between Armenians, Kurds and Turks.
Rationalist.
Submitted by: Rationalist
E-mail: rationalist@Now.com
Date: June 07, 2003
to hesso..you name the argument that kurdish don't have a culture as stupid.it's not stupid at all.how can you prove your history.there is not any kurdish state in the history.but, what happens if there is really a kurdish state.?nothing...you must know the truth that Anatolia belongs to us-Turks.your population which is in Anatolia and had been in the history doesn't interest us.we already don't accept this.we came from Mid Asia to Anatolia and there is work for to send us to there again by modern countries for nearly thousand years.but they have understood that they won't be able to beat us on the war area.so they started to use other methods.now kurds are a part of this game-a toy,I mean.but nobody can take Anatolia from Turks.my ancestors have conquerored and died for here.Malazgirt ,Miryokefalon and Independence Wars are the proof of this.these wars weren't easy to win.so,now don't suppose that you can take a part of this country easily.
Submitted by: Fatih
Date: June 04, 2003
Subject: thanks
Hello I`m Özcan from Germany. I born in Turkish-Kurdistan. Excused me, my Engish isn`t so good. I can better read as write. But I`ll only say that I find the website very good. There are a lot of interesting pictures and histories. In the beginning from 2003 I was in USA and I bought there the book "In the Shadow of History". The book is fascinating.
best regards
Özcan
Submitted by: Özcan
Date: June 02, 2003
Subject: STUPIDITY
The kurdish people dont want to take turkey for themselves, they only want to gather up the four parts of kurdistan! god where ever i go turkish people are saying " turkey belongs to us and no kurd can take it away from us" or "you can't take turkey". first of all we don't love turkey because they are the reason for destroying the largest muslim empire,(the usmanian islamic empire). we want our part back, and we will get it back, THAT IS A PROMISE!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by: KURDISH GIRL
E-mail: AKHOY
Date: June 01, 2003
Dear Visitors of this site,
As a Turkish Armenian and historian i objectively wanted to inform and make you know the realities about the Turkish/Kurdish problem(even it is not a problem).But some bad intentioned persons effected by strange powers insistently try not to understand me or they didnt want to understand me.Cause according to them,the truth is only known by them.Only they know,only they read,they have no fault and no self-crticism cause they know the best.I strongly believe that these persons have no respect to truths or ideas or whatever.But i will always reply these fanatic minds and its not difficult to answer these persons.
Let's see:
Mr Azad
Kurds maybe the original natives of northern Iraq but you are exaggerate your history .It is impossible to have a 12.000 years history in that region.12.000 years ago there is no kurds or turks or germans or english or other nations.Your history begins with the turkish immigration to Anatolia and Middle East in 9th century maybe a little earlier.And Turkey never make a genocide to Kurds.Lots of Kurds in Turkey rised high positions includes deputy,minister and prime minister as well.For your information:The 8th president of Turkey ,Turgut Ozal was also Kurdish origined.So how could you talk about Kurdish Genocide in Turkey.And i dont count the very rich Kurdish businessmen in Turkey.
You named Abdullah Ocalan as Kurdish Leader who is kidnapped and handed to Turkey,right.My friend,Abdullah Ocalan is a murderer of 30.000 people includes children,women,soldiers,teachers,doctors,engineers.He is also responsible of the massacre of many Kurds.That teachers,doctors,engineers were in that area to offer service but what Abdullah Ocalan did?Kill them because he doesnt want Turkish republic offer a service that area .By this way that people also Kurds stay ignorent and he can easily make them accept his ideas.What you want?Turkish republic congrulate him for his massacres and let him go? You really show your real face!!!!
The one who didnt mentioned a name or a nick:
You said Kurds have a 4000 years of history.But mr.Azad says 12.000 years of history.Plz talk with him and give me an exact year.About Kurdish language,there is nothing to talk.I never seen a title of Kurdish language in science or linguistics.
Dear Rationalist;
my bad english never gives you a right to be smart-alecky to me.First you learn how to talk with a person that you dont know.
Again Mr.Azad;
I see that you are trying so hard to not understand me.I gave the sample of USA to not compare the two nations.I just meaned there is no a nationalist concept in USA.Basicly Everyone in USA is American.And everyone in Turkey is Turk.In 1991 as you said not just Turkey accepted Iraq Kurds.Also western countries welcomed.Lets see the amounts:England 250,Germany 850,Belgium 45,Norway 10,...etc but 250.000(Two hundred fifty thousands)Kurds accepted by Turkey.And there wasnt any slaughtered happened to Armenians in Turkey.Just killed and died in 1.world War conditions and not that much.Also lots of Turks killed and died.
I born in Turkey,my father born in Turkey,my grandfather born in Turkey.And we all survive in Turkey.We never betray Turkey.We believe that if you obey the rules of Turkey,there is no danger but if you try to rebel Turkey like Kurds,God helps you cause Turkish Army is very strong.Of course self determination is your right but not with terrorism.Of course you are a nation and you have your own culture but it doesnt mean to rebel Turkey.....
Submitted by: Daniel Kirkoryan
Date: May 24, 2003
Subject: Reading is better than FoxTV
To the one who submitted with STOP BULLSHITTING PLZ:
I suppose that you are an american. However, it does not really matter. Why is there a hatered between Turks and Kurds? Very simple. How would you like it if somebody would take over your home and then pretend that this house was always his and that you should better be silent or other wise you will get killed. I think that is a good reason for takingh this somebody as an enemy. I also think that you cannot be blamed because of these feelings. If you still dont undestand it, then ask Indians or Afro-americans.
While reading your comment, I had the impression that you dont really know what you are speaking about. This way of solving problems may work in one of your Hollywood movies(especially those from the 50s), but in real life, however, the case is different. In real ile you have to fight for your right. Examples for this are:
Afro-americans
Women were also fighting for their rights. I dont think that feminism would have come so far if there were not fighting.
I think the only exception of this rule is Ghandi. But you know, exceptions proof the rule.
I think that you should first start with reading some books. I dont think that watching FoxTV or CNN is the correct way of education
Hesso
Submitted by: Hesso
Date: May 22, 2003
Subject: TURKISH/KURDISH PROBLEM
TO MR.OR MADAM ,
WELL.IT IS A BIT DIFFICULT TO BRIEF YOU ABOUT TURKISH/KURDISH PROBLEM,BECAUSE AMERICANS,HAVE NO HISTORICAL MEMORY,SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO HISTORY AND THEY ARE A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT CULTURES AND ETHNIC GROUPS.
THAT IS WHY THEY BORROW HISTORY FROM ITALY,GREEK AND OTHER COUNTRIES,WHICH ARE SEVERAL THOUSANDS MILES AWAY FROM U.S.A.
ORDERING OTHER PEOPLE TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS,IS NOT A CONSTRUCTIVE METHOD,YOU CAN ASK,,PLEASE,,PROBABLY YOU ARE NOT GUILTY,BUT IT IS YOUR CULTURE.
TO GIVE YOU A PERFECT PICTURE OF THE SITUATION BETWEEN KURDS AND TURKS.IF THE POPULATION OF INDIANS IN AMERICA WAS ABOUT 150 MILLION,AND THE RULE WAS IN HAND OF EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS,WHILE TRYING TO SHOW TO OUTSIDE WORLD BY ALL MEANS THAT THERE IS NO INDIAN IN THE U.S.A,WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME!
THE KURDS ARE THE ORIGINAL NATIVES OF THIS REGION WITH 12000 YEARS HISTORICAL BACKGROUND,WHILE ARABS-PERSIANS-TURKS WITH 700 TO 2000 YEARS HISTORY,BY SUPPORT OF MODERN WEAPONS AND SUPER POWERS ,SINCE LAST 80 YEARS ARE TRYING TO CLEANSE THE KURDS FROM THIS REGION,BY ALL MEANS.
BEFORE 80 YEARS THE KURDS AND OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS HAD SIMILAR WEAPONS AND NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ATTACK THEM LIKE THESE DAYS AND ALL PEOPLE WERE LIVING IN PEACE,THERE WAS NO ARGUMENT OF KURDS,ARABS,PERSIAN,TURKS. THE DICTATOR GOVERNMENTS AFTER FIRST WORLD WAR RECEIVED MODERN WEAPONS FROM SUPER POWERS,TO USE IT AGAINST CIVILANS OR SO,CALLED THEIR CITIZENS.TO FORM MODERN STATES.BY CLEANING THE PREVIOUS HISTORY OF REGION.MANY OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS VICTIMIZED IN THIS PROCCESS,BUT THE POPULATION OF KURDS WAS TOO MUCH,AND THEIR PLACES WAS MOSTLY IN THE MOUNTAINS.
(IN FACT THE MOUNTAIN SAVED THE KURDS SEVERAL TIMES)
POPULATION OF KURDS IN IRAN-IRAQ-TURKEY-SYRIA IS ABOUT 40 MILLIONS,WHLE TURKS IN TURKEY ARE ABOUT 20 MILLIONS,PERSIANS IN IRAN ABOUT 15 MILLIONS,ARABS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA ABOUT ABOUT 27 MILLIONS.BUT EVERYWHERE THE RULERS ARE NON KURDS,AND SYSTEMATIC GENOCIDE GOES ON.BECAUSE THE KURDS HAVE BEEN DIVIDED IN FOUR BRITISH/FRANCE MODERN STATE MADE AFTER FIRST WORLD WAR.AND THE RULER OF THAT GOVERNMENTS HAVE GOT THE SAME ORDER FROM BRITISH/FRANCE TO DO THE SAME AS THEY DID TO ORIGINAL NATIVES OF AUSTRALIA-NEWZEALAND-SOUTH AND NORTH AMERICA.
TO GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.USA SUPPORTED IRAN AND TURKEY AND RUSSIA SUPPORTED SYRIA AND IRAQ BY MODERN WEAPONS/POLOTICALY TO KILL KURDS IN IRAN - TURKEY - IRAQ - SYRIA DURING 80 YEARS.USA KIDNAPED THE KURDISH LEADER OF KURDS IN TURKEY AND HANDED OVER HIM TO TURKISH GOVERNMENT TO BE EXECUTED.
THE RIGHT FOR SELF DETERMINATION IS INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED,YOU CAN SEE ALL NATIONS CAN DECIDE ABOUT THEIR FUTURE,BUT THE KURDS ARE EXCEPTIONAL,REGRETFULY,DUE TO DIRTY POLITICAL GAMES.
I REALLY HOPE THAT ONE DAY,ALL PEOPLE OF ALL CULTURES AND ETHNIC GROUPS CAN LIVE SIDE BY SIDE,WITHIN ONE, OR SEPERATE BORDERS,BUT I DOUBT THAT MY HOPE COME TRUE.BECAUSE THE INTERESTS OF MANY POWERFUL GANGS ARE IN CONFLICTS AND WARS.
Submitted by: AZAD (MR)
Date: May 20, 2003
well done!
Submitted by: deler
Date: May 19, 2003
Subject: STOP BULLSHITTING PLZ
OH MY GOD!YOU ARE ALL UNBELIEVABLE! YOU KNOW YELLING AT EACH OTHER MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! TURKISH! TURKISH! TURKISH! KURDISH! KURDISH! KURDISH! THIS IS ALL YOU TALK ABOUT. FOR ONCE STOP YAPPING AT EACH OTHER AND TRY TO SORT YOUR PROBLEMS OUT. I MEAN DAMN! FOR GODS SAKE NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE TURKEY!
WHY DO YOU COME TO THIS WEBSITE AND NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY! MAN YOU PEOPLE NEED TO FACE REALITY AND ACTUALLY GET YOUR OWN LIVES. YOU TURKISH PEOPLE ARE ACTING LIKE KIDS. YOU NEED TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
AMERICA SAVED THE KURDS... FOR ONCE STOP ACTING LIKE ENEMIES AND LIVE AS FRIENDS. BESIDES THE TURKISH PARLIAMENT OR THE KURDISH GOVERNMENT ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT EACH OTHER, SO WHY DO YOU PEOPLE FEEL THE NEED.
SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY TURKS HATE KURDS OR KURDS HATE TURKS. I WANT TO COME BACK TO THIS WEBSITE NEXT TIME AND SEE SOME NICE WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! START BUILDING A FRIENDSHIP. THAT'S AN ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by: NOT NECESSARY
E-mail: YEAH RIGHT HONEY
Date: May 19, 2003
Subject: Learn more Daniel
To Daniel Kirkoryan:
I must again tell you that you have missed many lessons.
1st: kurdish is a language. It is widely accepted and you can find it in many language dictionaries. It is classified as an indo-european language. Turkish (but that one you are speaking) is an altaic language for instance and has almost nothing to do with kurdish.
2nd: Turkey may really be like USA. In this case the turks are the invaders and the kurds are the native population there. In contrast to USA, we will not stop asking for our rights: the right to speak and practice the own language, the right to practice our culture (and please don't tell me the stupid argument that kurds do not have a culture).
3rd: there is a kurdish alphabet. In former times it was in arabic-like letters, very similar to the arabic letters for persian. You can not tell that there is no persian language because they use arabic letters. By the way, turks just 80 years ago were also using arabic letters. Only recently they started to use latin letters.
Please learn better
Hesso
Submitted by: Hesso
Date: May 17, 2003
Subject: turkey belongs to turks
I DON'T KNOW WHY KURDS STILL DREAMING ABOUT KURDISTAN,
TURKEY ONLY BELONGS TO TURKS AND I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT
Submitted by: EMINE
E-mail: etezge3@rbksch.org
Date: May 16, 2003
Subject: turkey belongs to us
i dont like kurdish people because western people are playing with them.
kurds should know that turkey belongs to turks forever...
Submitted by: sibel
E-mail: sibella@uboot.com
Date: May 16, 2003
Subject: Who are kurds ?
Turks have been known since b.c 4000. In those years they were called Turki,Turukku and Kut. In B.C 2000 they were living in Anatolia with Hurris and Urartus, but there wasn't an empire.
Language is the most important thing to find the nation where it comes. Everybody knows that Kurdish language cames from Oguz Turkish, Persian and little bit arabic for this reason they cant communicate with each other for example they got 2 dialects which are called Sorani and Kirmanca.Nobody knows Kurdish roots. Some of them says they are Iskits, Makedons, Arabs or Turks. Its means they are heteradoks.
First documant of kurds have found on Gokturks period which is Turkish Empire. On the grave it says MEN KURT EL KAN ALP URUNGU ALTUNLUG KESIGIM BANTIM BELDE, ELIM TOKUZ KIRK YASIM. This is the first documant of Kurds and its written Turkish and Kurd means snow in Turkish language. For this reason scientisis believe that Kurds came from Kipkac Turks or Kazak Turks, but this is not official. They still trying to solve where Kurds came from. I want Kurds to check this history and learn who they are .....
Submitted by: Charlie
E-mail: cagripasa@aol.com
Date: May 11, 2003
Subject: peoplesss must learn the truth
When Oguz turks step in Anatolia on 10th century there wasn't no kurd and this information is official nobady call their self kurd.ALL information says people who lives in anatolia they named Kirmanc after 12th century there were kurds but few of them.that means they came from turks mostly.We have to find which nation they came from.
They said there was a kurdistan before...its not true there was only kurdish small villages.As i remember it was in Macaristan and the citizens were Ongur(Hungar)turks.The most important thing is.Sultan Sancar is the one who says kurdistan at first,and he is a oguz turk(turkish) (1156)...I think Kurds are Turks they named kurds because they lived in mountains and small villages.Maybe they are russian who knows:because kurdish nationalist are in the world because of russians.
As i say they don't know who they are ,where they came from,nobody knows because no proof and dont put fake maps, kurt means snow in turkish language not the one we have now the real language we had before and there was no such word kurd in the rest of the world.This is a another fact that some of the turks named kurd because they came from colder country.
We never hated kurds, they made us hate them by trying to divide a country like the one armenians did to empire .For example armenians are the one who led the first people in ottoman empire they fight against us with russia.Russians gave them this idea called great armenistan than they said we did genocide... what a lie.they said we killed their people at 24 april .. but let me teach you something kids 24 april is the celebration of fighting against ottomans meaning the first start of armenia.after that what we did to them ... we sent them to syria we didn't kill their people but they said we killed .Harvard univ. says that armenian genocide is a lie and they said that if there is a genocide it is a turkish genocide because they killed more than a million for nothing.
20 years ago they start genocide again they send a terrorist group called asala which is like pkk.They killed more than couple a hundred even the turkish diplomats on America.Now what i see them talking about genocide.Everybody knows imperialist countries made them. They are using the kurds now i ain't gonna say nothing to them.I just want them to sell their soul and lifes to toys r us.
Submitted by: truthssss
E-mail: cagripasa@aol.com
Date: May 11, 2003
Subject: TURKEY BELONGS TO US
About the story map: YOU WISH THAT PART OF TURKEY IS YOURS. YOU PEOPLE KEEP DREAMING........TURKEY WAS NOT YOURS AND WILL NOT BE...IT WILL BE ONLY ON THE PAPER THAT YOU DREW...
Submitted by: TURKEY
Date: May 07, 2003
Subject: Read more Daniel
Hello Daniel,
I did not think that you are going to answer. It is kind of strange reading your answer. I am sorry to correct you again:
- there are turks. The turkish ethnicity belongs to the altaic (I hope I wrote it correctly) nations. They immigrated into the place you call now Turkey about 1000-1500 years ago. Kurds are living in this are 4000 years.
- There is a kurdish language and of course there is an alphabet. You can find the term kurdish language in a couple of dictionaries. It is classified as an indo-european language (if you don´t know this term you are reffered to language dictionaries)
- Austrians, Swiss and Germans speak german. People from Berlin hardly can understand people from Vienna and both almost completely don´t understand swiss german.
Read more my dear
Looking froward hearing from you.
Date: May 06, 2003
Subject: COME TO YOUR SENSES
To Danie :
As I mentioned in my previous comment the way you approach
questions could not be taken seriously. First of all your
english is not correct enough in order enable you to put
forward baseless arguments. You say if a language does not
possess an alphabet it can not be considered a language. If you asked whether this is applicable to turkish, surely you
negate that. But you must know that the alphabet used to
write turkish language in, is not turkish, but roman characters. So try to trace back your armenian roots and
free yourself from hatred against kurdish people and culture.
Submitted by: Rationalist
E-mail: Biji friendship of Kurds and others@now.com
Date: May 06, 2003
Subject: the kurd people
It took a war to let me know the existence of this great nation.
Submitted by: viateur crete
E-mail: viateur6@hotmail.com
Date: May 06, 2003
Subject: congratulation to daneil
hi daneil
this time you are more polite,civilized.now,i can guide and help you to be a logic human.
1- meaning of u.s.a is not representing any ethnic group.
2-in u.s.a everybody is free to speak in his/her mother language.
3-nobody in u.s.a deny existence of other ethnic group in the country.
4-selecting non english name in u.s.a is not forbidden.
5-in 1991 the iraqi kurds went to other parts of kurdistan in iran-turkey and welcomed in western countries.
6-you should cry for armenian,when they have been slaughtered in turkey,with really no place to go.
7-alphabet are some signs,which represent different voices of a language.
a)can you tell us where is turkish alphabet?
b)when the kurds everywhere have no right to educate in their language for 80 years,how do you expect them to remember any kind of alphabet,expect different official alphabet in different countries.
c)if you go to kurdish sites,you can see how they communicate with each other.
8)the kurds have national identity,national calendar-dances-food-national celebrations-music-clothes and custom and habits for different events in the life.that is why you can find kurds in different religions,but how about armenian,can you find a single armenian muslem.the reason is that armenian national identity is christian religon.
9)if some of the kurds do not understand each other in kurdish,the reason is that, under restrictions. they are obliged to speak with limited number of people.as a result they learn the language on different levels.the kurds are over 40 million people belonging to different dialects in different locations.not a mini nation with 3 or 4 million population.
you can see the same among other languages,can you speak in your turkish with a turk from iran or turkmenistan or can you speak with your armenian language with an armenian from isfahan-iran perfectly.
Submitted by: azad
Date: May 05, 2003
Subject: I know details Hesso
At my previews letter,i did not want to mention about details for not make the readers bored.Here is details and answers to you:
-As you told, at the independence war not just Turks fighted also lots of nation were fighted.However there is not any nation called Turk.The Turks are a common name for the tribes who were lived in Middle Asia in ancient times.Its like USA.There is american nation but its a combination of different nations who immigrated to America.So this means at independence war who fighted were called Turks even they belong to different nations.They fight for a common target.They fight for a word that u learnt it wrong called freedom.Your ancestors were struggled for their freedoms,for one one country.Because Anatolia is not belong to just Turks.
But todays Kurdish people make ashamed of them.Remember no one accepted Kurdish people in 1991 when they were killed by Saddam.Just Turkey accepted about 250.000 Kurdish people and feed them.There were a lot of campaigns organised for providing foods and clothes organised for that Kurdish people.But i can see that Kurdish people quickly forget that days and make ingratitude.The Kurd leaders are saying that Kurdish people is innocent and doesnt want a foreigner army in Northern Iraq.But they are easily attacking to Turkmens and accept American soldiers.So Americans are not foreigner for you.You think the western countries like you but you are mistaken.
-The Turkish language is a mixture of different languages includes words and terms from Arabic,Farsian,Turkish,...etc and some Kurdish words.I am saying some Kurdish words because it is a big mistake to talk about a Kurdish Language.Although there is a big population of Kurdish people,there are lots of dialect in Kurdish.I know some Kurdish groups who dont understand each others words.The biggest point is Kurdish has no alphabet!!! If a language has not alphabet is not accepted as a scientifically official language.
If you are objective,you can realize what i told.If not,God helps you.Because just he can help you.....
Submitted by: Daniel Kirkoryan
Date: May 03, 2003
Subject: The Orgin of the Kurds
I believe that the Kurds may be part of the ten lost tribes of Israel. According the 2nd Kings 17:6 in the Old Testament:
"In the ninth year of Hoshea (the king of Israel, the northern kingdom) the king of Assyria took Samaria (Israel's capital), and carried them (the Israelites)away into Assyria, and place them in Halah and in Habor by the river Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes."
Also, 2nd Kings 17:23 says: "...So was Israel carried away out of their land to Assyria unto this day."
Check the modern names of HALAH AND HABOR. These might reveal clues to your ancient identity.
I believe that what is now Northern Iraq was part of the Assyrian Empire about 620 to 611 B. C.
Thank you
Submitted by: Nat Screven
E-mail: Louarlo@aol.com
Date: May 03, 2003
Subject: Study more in detail Daniel
To Daniel:
I have the impression that you have missed some of the essential lectures during your studies. The people you call turks, who were fighting for the independence of your beloved country were not turks. I hope it is not new to you that Turky is a multiethnic country. It can be estimated that at least 60% of the turkish inhabitants are not of trukish ethnicity. The are kurds, armenians, arabs, greeks, assyirians and azari. I think all of them were also fighting in the wars you mentioned. The ottomans were also not pure turkish. If you would remove all the arabic and kurdish words out of the turkish language, people in turky would not be able to communicate.
Please study hard to find the truth.
Hesso
Submitted by: Hesso
Date: April 28, 2003
Subject: Come to your senses !
To a certain Daniel Kirkoryan !
Your archaic comments doesn't deserve a serious answer.
The proverb that you site (the one ) " who doesn't listen and obeys the advice deserves beating " matches your own situation.Nobody cares about your denying the reality of kurdish peoples existance and rights in northern Kurdistan any more. Try to be reasonable.
Something else your surname sounds armenian so I refer to another turkish proverb whicj goes " kendisini inkar eden heramzade dir "
Kurdistan for ever !
Long live sisterhood between kurds and Turks !
Submitted by: A friend of Turkish People !
E-mail: Kerkuk is a city in Kurdistan@now.com
Date: April 28, 2003
Subject: educated -civilized turks
good day
with statements from turkish prime minister on this site dated 3 april 2003 and mr daniel kirkoryan dated 25 april 2003.you can find out how civilized the so called educated turks are.
one question,daniel is really a turkish name!!!!
Submitted by: azad
Date: April 27, 2003
Subject: Attention to related persons
Attention to related persons,
I studied history in university and especially interested with Kurdish history.I dont wanna tell the details because most of the cultured people know who are Kurds.Most of the time,i really have fun with the statements of Kurdish leaders and people.Especially Talabani and Barzani have very brave statements by having US support.I think Kurdish people are dreaming.No one permit to found a Kurdish country over the rich oil beds of Northern Iraq.And being Turkey emnity never brings Kurdish people a gain.Be mature and think carefully.The Kurdish people is damaging the good relations with Turkish people which comes from Ottoman Times.By drawing imaginary maps and emnity will bring disaster Kurdish people.The Turkish people always try to solve the problems with peace not with terrorism.However the Turkish people never let the Kurdish people exploit.Never forget,The Turkish people is struggled with English,French,Italian and Greek armies at Indepence war after 1.world war.And never permit the Kurdish people damage his peace.I know a lot of rich Kurdish businessmen in Turkey owns big companies.Treachery will not be forgiven anymore.A Turkish proverb says:Who doesnt listen and obey the advices deserves beating.....
Submitted by: Daniel Kirkoryan
Date: April 25, 2003
Subject: Congratulations
It is wonderful, The world is done with a cannibal regime! The scenes in april 9 in Ferdos Square in Baghdad and the later In Kerkuk the presumed capital of federated Kurdistan, remains for ever in memory of freedomloving people everywhere.
Now it is time for other repressive regimes in the region
to think over about their undemocratic and bloody rule.
Be aware of Pax Americana !
Submitted by: Freindship
E-mail: Democratic Iraq Republic@Now.com
Date: April 24, 2003
Subject: Towards Democratic Rights
Congratulations to the Kurdish Brothers for their First Successful Step towards the Democratic Rights...
Submitted by: K.N.Janapi
Date: April 20, 2003
Subject: Good luck and best wishes
I had heard of the plight of the Kurds for some time but knew very little about it. Being an American, you don't hear much about the really bad things going on in the world. You have to seek it out because our press is owned by either the gov't or defense contractors.
I was concerned that this site would have a certain perspective/bias to it but I was able to determine through other cursory research that the information contained within was accurate and in a fairly neutral presentation.
I would like to applaud you on an excellent site with accurate, relevant content. I am appauled at what history and the world has done to your people and my prayers are with you in your struggle.
Submitted by: Mike B.
Date: April 20, 2003
Subject: kurdistan
I would like to tell a quick story about my family and I we were all born in kurdistan and we were in the gulf war and we escaped iraq because of saddam hussein. Now that there's actually a future for all the kurds my parents are thinking about moving there in 2004. God knows this war was for a good cause its been over 200 years the kurdish people have gone through so much horrible events its about time kurdistan has a future
Thanks for your cooperation
Nergis Rafat
Submitted by: Nergis
E-mail: Nergis@rogersblackberry.com
Date: April 19, 2003
Subject: Turkey's boundaries
The map information seems impossible to accomplish officially! What do you think about Turkey's boundaries?..
Submitted by: ayshe
Date: April 18, 2003
nice site, great information. Sympathy from Belgium
Submitted by: Tom
Date: April 17, 2003
Subject: Map
What happened to Israel?
Submitted by: Dorothy
Date: April 15, 2003
Subject: Independent Kurdistan
Gentlemen:
You probably know that you have in Israel many supporters; one of reasons for that - you and we have the same enemies and, in most cases, the same friends.
Being one of supporters of your fight for independent state, I maybe could give you an idea:
As you certainly know, UNO, EU, USA and most other organizations and countries find necessary the creation of independent state for Palestinian Arabs - though the existance of 22 Arab states already, among them 2 in Palestine. Though Palestinian Arabs are, in their majority, haters of USA, participated in many of terrorist actions, comprising 11 September 2001 and now in Iraq, USA press onto its friend Israel on purpose to allow the creation of 3rd Palestinian Arab State - maybe terrorist.
You, Kurds, are friends of USA and democracy, you support them against Iraqi totalitarism and international terrorism, but USA is still not ready to support your national independence on the level of state.
In my estimation, if you claim that pretend ONLY to the same rights that are recognized for such enemies of USA and democracy as Palestinian Arabs, it will be too difficult to tell "no" to you. Any negative reaction will be interpreted as national discrimination and racism: why forbidden for Kurds the same things that allowed to Arabs? Why allowed to Turkey to occupy Kurdistan if Israel is criticized and punished with sanctions for occupation of Gaza, accounting that this occupation just aims to prevent terror from Gaza?
Best regards,
F.Romm, D.Sc.
Submitted by: Freddy A. ROMM, D.Sc.
E-mail: cercafr@techunix.technion.ac.il
Date: April 13, 2003
it is not right to be forced out of your home
Submitted by: abel flores
Date: April 11, 2003
Subject: Keeping the culture intact
I have been a traveller and a journalist, and know that our short time here on spaceship Earth is exciting, with both great sadness and great joy. And we are all in this together.
I recently had the great fortune of meeting many members of a Kurdish community here in Toronto Canada, and have been enjoying their company, languages, and food. It occurs to me that like language, a culture's cuisine is a great unifying force. Yet I was unable, on the entire Internet, to find more that 2 Kurdish recipes!
Would not a Kurdish recipe compilation be a bit more of the glue that identifies and coheres a culture, a people? Some think of culture as music and art, but to me that is often the reservation of those who consider themselves the elite, but food is shared and loved by all. Memories well up, the heart is quickened as well as the appetite.
When I visit my friends food is always offered, delicious, often simple, unique flavours and presentaion, and always loving. And as there are more Kurdish expatriots living abroad, what better way to allow them reach home, in a real family way, than to keep Kurdish cuisine alive and well.
Submitted by: Lyman Gifford
E-mail: lymang@sympatico.ca
Date: April 10, 2003
Subject: A Real Kurdistan?
Is there any possibility that a separate Kurdish country would be created in Northern Iraq, as an eventual result of the postwar rebuilding of the country? Would not this be one way of both providing a nation for worldwide Kurds, and avoiding the complication, and perhaps, the impossibility of attemtping to respresent them in a new greater Iraqi government? With the regime vanquished, who remains to resist an independent Kurdistan in Northern Iraq? Would the southern and central Iraqi general population oppose this?
Submitted by: Michael Roy
E-mail: janmich@juno.com
Date: April 08, 2003
Subject: your website
I have been reading your website,I lived in canada,I didn't even know about the kurds till this war they are having now.If the other middle-east country know how terrible sadaam hussein is why don't they do anything? I hope all the best for you and your family,and the kurds living in Iraq.I hope this war help your people in Iraq.thank you for your website.
Submitted by: karin marynissen
E-mail: karin0824@hotmail.com
Date: April 07, 2003
Subject: beautiful
A site such as this is so important. I live in San Francisco and hear my Kurdish friends from Turkey--their stories. I am moved. To preserve their memories and histories is one of the paramounts of our time. This website is an extraordinary addition to the project of Kurdish dignity in this world or nation-building and genocides. I salute this site and the Kurdish people.
Submitted by: fredrick cloyd
E-mail: fredken@prodigy.net
Date: April 07, 2003
Subject: turks in turkey
i have seen strange comments from some turks on this site.i would like to draw their attention to some points,probably it could be a great help for them to understand their cultural-historical-political situation.
1-how the population of a mongol army which attacked (today geographical turkey)about 1000 years ago,have increased more than the original natives of that land.today the claim is that the so-called turks are the majority in turkey.
the fact is that the mongol soldiers had no women with them.they killed many men of different ethnic groups,and took their women.as a result todays turks are not like their mongol grandfathers,even they can not pronounce the turkish words properly like the turks elsewhere.and even they do not represent the turkish culture and consider themeselves as half european and insist to join europe by all means.it is while regretfully their background belongs to opposite direction, which means central asia and mongolia.
speaking in other languages is forbidden. of course after some generations the ordinary people believe that they are really turks.while those people are in fact a mixture of different ethnic groups.
if turkish government allows every ethnic group to speak in their mother language.after some time it will be difficult to find people speaking in turkish.because they will start speaking kurdish-armenian-arabic-syrian-assyrian-georgian-greek and....
2-if you visit the website of turkish ministry of foreign
affairs, you can see that the turks have no deep root in this region,and by mistake they think that ottoman empire means turkish empire.ottoman empire was a mixture of different ethnic groups under islamic umbrella.all ethnic groups had their rights and role in running the empire.
when western powers broke the ottoman empire.they created a new country with name of turkey. the conflict began due to denying the real owners of that land under support of western powers.especially the kurds revolts are not before the creation of artificial countries of turkey or iraq-iran-syria.
3-some consider themselves as brave fighters.i would like to remind them that the engine of ottoman empire were kurds.the kurds were in korea or elsewhere with western powers.(of course under the name turks) the so-called turks have western made weapons in hand.so,the western weapons and nato are powerful,not the turks.
if the turks want to claim that they are an independent powerful country, first they must prove that they can make their weapons and are able to manage their country in a proper way.not all the time seeking help from western powers to protect them military and economically.
even, according to mr demirel,the usa kidnap ocalan and gave him to turkey,because the turks were not able to do this.
so,being proud of nothing,is meaningless.
Submitted by: azad
Date: April 04, 2003
Subject: Kurdish Origin and views
HEARING ABOUT THE KURDS ONTV WAR NEWS I WONDERED IF THEY EVER HAD A COUNTRY OF THEIR OWN,, OR ARE THEY A SOCIETY ABSORBED BY MANY COUNTRIES. Where do they consider their homeland or would like to establish a home land? do they have to take teritorial land from other countries to do this? (eg: set up a brand new country?) Is this like one of our united states succeeding from our Union, or like The French in Quebec wanting their own sovereingy? Is it more like Sicily, being part of Italy, but maintaining their own culture and dialect? I am an American citizen, living in Florida and sympathizing with all oppressed people, and want to understand your people's position .
Submitted by: Grace murdock
E-mail: murdockge@aol.com
Date: April 04, 2003
is there any kurdistan?
Date: April 03, 2003
Subject: From Turkey.
Look..
You are playing a very dangerous game with us. The fact is that you are showing all the culture of turks if they are kurdish people's, and you get proud of it. I AM TALKING TO THE EVERY POINT OF THE WORLD! THE KURDS ARE NOT A FOLK OR SOMETHING. THEY DON'T HAVE A PROPER CULTURE AND SO. KURDS LIVE IN TURKEY ARE TURKISH, THE ONES IN IRAQ ARE THE FOLK OF THAT COUNTRY AND THE ONES IN IRAN ARE IRANIAN PEOPLE. Thank you for giving me this chance to tell the truth. I like Kurds, but not the way they do like this.
Submitted by: Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Date: April 03, 2003
Subject: The map
The map; sweet dream!
Date: April 01, 2003
Subject: Artificial Nations
Speaking a language is not enough to create a Nation. Those so called Kurds are living here too (in Kazakhstan, Kirgizia even in Siberia), so what. In order just to divide the countries who have 1000 more years of history than some western states like England and France playing this game. Middle east will be building path of the imperial thoughts of new rulers.
Right now those two bloody states are killing thousands under the name of democracy exporters. Stupid Bush's US killers and poor England trying to show to the world that they are bringing peace and future by killing 2-3 years old babies and woman. Bloody bull shit.
There was a peace in that region when Osmanli was rulling, now they are trying to establish new nations and states behind oil and gas and blod and tears.
Submitted by: Yavuz Sultan
E-mail: Yavuz@yahoo.com
Date: April 01, 2003
Subject: curious
I am curious about something. One of my students from Iraq said she and her mom were Kurdish, but not her dad and brothers. Is it that if a Kurdish woman marries a non Kurdish man their male children are not considered Kurdish but the girls are?
Submitted by: Aleksandra
E-mail: sandra@geckonet.net
Date: March 31, 2003
Subject: Nevroz in TR
to madam X
i don´t want to hurt you but isn´t it a little bit ridicules to say that the kurdish culture and history is just a mixture of the turkish, iraqi,ect...
Ain´t you asemed after all???
If you don´t know history then i want you to learn or just read about it!!!! because the kurdish culture is older then the turkish and iranian how could that be that an older culture is a mixture of an younger??could you explain??
and please don´t tell me anything about turkish government that had allowed the newroz (with O not U)!!
in the 90s newroz in turkey was street fighting with the turkish army my dear!!!
if someone had to think twice so it is YOU my dear!!!!!
fantasy is what people want, but reality is what they get!!!
PS: this site is absuludly perfect!!!!
Submitted by: a.genc
Date: March 30, 2003
Subject: bob_kline@hotmail.com
I think the U.S. made a big error in leaving the area after the Gulf war but I don't think it was intentional that we deserted the Kurds. I also don't believe that this would ever happen again. I don't believe that our country always does the right thing but I believe we are doing the right thing at present. I am glad to see that we are able to spare many many innocent lives in this current endeavor. I wish there were an option to bringiing peace to the area, other than destruction of property and especially lives.
Submitted by: Bob Kline
Date: March 30, 2003
Subject: Searching
Hello,
I suspect my heritage is Kurdish. I respectfully ask for someone to email me to help me place into perspective the events my mother describes: Village of "Tavginer," near Erzincan, Turkey; Massacre of family and village sometime between 1925-1940. I have a photograph of my grandmother with 30+ other women+children in front of a rail box car, ready for "relocation." We were not Turkish and my mother's family first names were "Huri, Apo, Gilli" Last name may be Karaman. Thank you.
Submitted by: Mel Agan
E-mail: eagan@u.washington.edu
Date: March 29, 2003
first of all navroz,is a farsi word, means not means new sun but it means a new day..also it is the first day of spring.21 may..you know..it´s the same all around the world.
also you guys say that your culture and tradition is different..than really what is it..and how is it..please made that clear..
but it seems like it is a mixture of some arabic,turkish,iranian..and some other things elements..
so you see you are a composition of these..thats why you cant yourself help yourselfs..
lastly nevruz is not forbidden in turkey..and last ten and more years it is celebrated in every house of muslim..
think before you act and before you say..
Submitted by: madam x
Date: March 29, 2003
Subject: Bush removes Saddam
1 1< the frame of Discussion !
Going through some of the comments , one wonders those who exposing their hatered for human rights intend to get to what position. Denying the atrocities of the army and oppressive bodies of the state of Turkey against kurdish poeple is not decieving any one.
For those who believe in harmony and sisterhood between Kurds and Turks, the best way is try to work on a framework for mutual understanding.
Now you are witnessnig the fate of the oppressive regime of Saddam.
So please come to your senses and show respect to distinct culture and identity of nobel kurdish people. The kurds are the Key of Democractic transformation in the Middle and Near - East.
Long live the sisterhood between Kurds and other peoples in the area !
Date: March 29, 2003
Subject: we must be carefull
I am a kurdish person living in Turkey. I know our people have been suffering from the political .. of the countries
around and we live in. But if we move in the political line that USA and Israel defines we will suffer more and the results will be catasthropic. We know that Israel has some utopia about Mesopotomya (the region between Firat and Dicle) and they need our political conflict between the countries Turkey, Iran, Iraq..
WE SHOULD BE CAREFULL. for our future
WE SHOULD BE CAREFULL. for that we are muslims
WE SHOULD BE CAREFULL. for not to be the soldiers of Israel and USA
Submitted by: ahmet koc
E-mail: kocahmete@hotmail.com
Date: March 28, 2003
Subject: time to get a real life!
TO ALL THE TURKS WHO ACT LIKE IDIOTS, OH EXCUSE ME I MEANT WHO ARE IDIOTS.
NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE YOUR FILTHY UNWANTED LAND. THE REASON THE KURDS ARE COMING ITS BECAUSE OF WAR. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN BECAUSE OF WAR. I DONT HATE ALL THE TURKS BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT KURDS LIKE THAT I COMPLETELY GO INSANE! WHY WOULD YOU SAY THOSE THINGS? HAVE WE EVER IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND DID ANYTHING TO HURT OR OFFEND YOU. WE KURDS, HAVE SHED BLOOD BECAUSE OF YOU IGNORANT LOWLIVES AND BECAUSE OF SADDAM'S TREACHROUS BEHAVIOR. ARE WE NOT HUMAN BEINGS? WHY ARE YOU TREATING US THE WAY YOU ARE? ... I HONESTLY FEEL THAT UNLESS WE(THE PEOPLE) CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT EACHOTHER I SUGGEST WE STOP TALKING OUR SHIT. DONT YA AGREE? HOW COME MOST TURKS AND ARABS HATE KURDS? I MEAN WHO HAS HEARD OF MAHSUN KIRMIZIGUL? HE SAYS HE IS A KURD EVEN THOUGH HE MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW ONE WORD IN KURDISH. ... I MEAN WHY IS IT THAT MOST ARABS AND TURKS HATE US AND NO OTHER RACES DO? IS IT BECAUSE OF OUR ETHNIC BACKROUND. WE HAVE NEVER TREATED ANYBODY ELSE DIFFERENT. WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE TO TURN THE TABLE AND TREAT US LIKE WE ARE LOWER THAN EVERYBODY? OR IS IT THAT YOU KNOW WE CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I HAVE NEVER HEARD ONE TURK SAY SOMETHING BAD ABOUT AMERICANS OR NEVER THE LESS ANY OTHER COUNTRY. TRUST ME WE ARE MOST CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO TAKE YOUR LAND I MEAN WE ARE NEIGHBORS THAT IS WHY WE COME TO YOU GUYS WHENEVER THERE IS MISCHIEF. HOW COME YOU CAN NOT FULFILL THE LINES OF FRIENDSHIP AND FOR ONCE HELP US OUT. SOME OTHER THINGS GET ME PISSED OFF, LIKE WHEN THE UNITED STATES BOMBED BAGHDAD AND THE KURDS WERE SCARED THAT SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN TO THEM YA KNOW THE FIRST THING THE TURKISH PARLIAMENT DID WAS MAKE SURE NO KURD PASSES THE TURKISH BORDER. HOW SHAMEFUL CAN YOU BE? WHY CANT WE JUST GET ALONG. THAT WILL TRULY MAKE HISTORY. FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING THERE HAS NEVER BEEN KURDISH HISTORY HONEY GET A LIFE! THERE HAS ALWAYS AND WILL BE KURDISH HISTORY. .. ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING TO SAY REPLY TO WHAT I HAVE CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
Submitted by: A PROUD KURDISH GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E-mail: kchikurd11@yahoo.com
Date: March 28, 2003
Subject: about the map
Do you really think you can invade the Turkish Republic by printing maps on the net or elsewhere. This really looks funny, but there is no limit to dreams of course. Go ahead. Human psychologists may have a cure for such illnesses.
Submitted by: aynur
Date: March 27, 2003
Subject: Website comment page
I found this website very interesting I have in fact bought the book and I would like to personally thank you for the effort you put into it. I have however one complaint… since this is a website about Kurdish identity and their right to existence isn't it quite ironic so many turks writing so offensively about us in your comment page I feel it defies the purpose but on the good side it shows the rest of the world how backward the turkish mentality is and how they're still constant trying to repress any form of the Kurdish identity. Let me also clarify turkey is a country dying of hunger, poverty and illiteracy; I don't see why any organism would like to relate themselves to that country to start with.
Submitted by: Lezan
Date: March 27, 2003
Subject: comics
i really enjoyed the funny map you put on this site showing nearly half of turkey as kurdistan.why are you people so narrow minded and childish as to think that you can have my land, the land i have achieved from the turkish enemies with my own blood? who are you to even consider such ideas? the borders of turkey will not CHANGE, will not decrease even one centimetre. so dont try to fool yourselves or dream about it. you might end up in a nightmare.
Submitted by: nese yay
Date: March 25, 2003
Hepiniz zavallisiniz. TURKIYE CUMHURIYETI TOPRAK BUTUNLUGU ILE ILELEBET VAROLACAKTIR. KIMSE BU BUTUNLUGU BOZAMAZ. Sizin gibi basibozuk birkac capulcu da Turkiye Cumhuriyetine ait haritalar uzerinde konusup Turk kulturu yemekleri ve dogal guzellikleri ile kendi kulturu imis gibi ovunmekten baska bir halt edemez. Kurt kokenli azinlik komplekslidir. Beceriksizdir. Turkiyenin batisina dogan gocte "acgozlu ve elini attigi herseyi kurutan" kurt azinliginin da rolu vardir. Yorenin yerlisi asil Turk halkini canindan bezdiren bu cekirge surusu kendini uluslararasi Ali-Cengiz oyunlarina alet edecek kadar da zavallidir. Bagimsizlik ve cumhuriyet bir iki ulkenin parasiyla elde edilmez. Kendinize guveniyorsaniz onun bunun arkasina saklanmadan cikin ortaya da dunyanin kac bucak oldugunu gorun. O vakit osmanlinin zamaninda yapmadigi soykirimla dunya uzerinden varliginizi yok etmek icin bize harika bir firsat vermis olursunuz. Defolun gidin bu ulke bizim.
Submitted by: Anonymous
Date: March 25, 2003
TRANSLATION:
"Turkish Republic with its territorial unity shall exist till eternity. No one can destroy this unity. Bums like yourselves may do nothing but talking over maps that belong to the Turkish Republic and pretending that the natural beauties, culture and foods of Turkey actually belongs to them. The minorities of Kurdish origin have inferiority complex and they are not capable of achieving anything. The greedy and destructive Kurdish minority is responsible for the migration in Western Turkey. They are so pathetic that they made themselves instrumentalized in the international power games. One can not achive independence and republican rule with the funds from a few country. If you have any self-confidence, stop hiding behind others, come out and see what you'll get! Then you'll give us the opportunity to perform the genocide that Ottomans did not do when they should have. Get the hell out of here, this is our country."
Translation by: Kumru Toktamis
Date: March 24, 2003
Subject: Beehive-shaped buildings
In a couple of photos in the unknown archive section of the website show beehive-shaped buildings in the background. If anybody knows what they were used for I would appreciate if you would mail me at ulf@erlingsson.com!
Submitted by: Ulf Erlingsson
E-mail: ulf@erlingsson.com
Date: March 24, 2003
When was Kurdistan began? Who was Kurd? If the name Kurd comes from a patriarch, who was he? Why do Iraq and Turkey and Iran have animosity towards the Kurds? How far back in history can the Kurds be traced?
E-mail: marshallrisinger@ev1.net
Date: March 24, 2003
Subject: O.Ç
erefsiz ve hain olmaktan gurur duydu
Ya adydynyz ülkelere hainlik yapmak bir kürtten ba
Sizi insan yerine koyup mesaj gönderdidim için kendimden özür diliyorum.
Ekmek yedidinize kaba syçtydyny için Allah bunun hesaby´ny´ dider tarafta soracakty´r. Merak etmeyin....
O.Ç ve erefsizler...
Gücünüz yetiyorsa alyrsynyz..
Bir Türk dünyaya bedeldir. (Mustafa Kemal Atatürk)
TRANSLATION:
"I am sure you are proud of lacking dignity and being traitors. Who else but a Kurd would commit treason against the countries they reside. I am sorry that I treat you as human beings and send you a message...
Don't you worry,
God will punish you for pissing in the plate you are eating from. You are S.O.Bs and honorless people... Get it if you can...
One Turk is worth the whole world"
(Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
translation by Kumru Toktamis
Submitted by: Sana ne
Date: March 23, 2003
Subject: VATAN BY´R BÜTÜNDÜR BÖLÜNEMEZ
as i read and surf through your site, i saw the ultimate day-dreaming that you've been in. it is just an utopia and will not be happened since the blood of 30.000 innocent people is still remarkable.
let me ask you a simple question. can you list me the empires or countries that kurds have founded. the great Turks,that you are jealous of, founded over 16 great empires which are still the examples of honor, heroism and the immortal TURKS.
let's keep being brothers like in history and stop yourself from betraying the country that you have been living in.
we showed tolerance to you in history and now but you must know your limit...
Submitted by: KÜR
E-mail: yucaturkaslanbe@turkogullari.net
Date: March 22, 2003
Subject: The Kurds
I am glad I visited your website...with todays war I checked in to see what the Kurdish plight was about...I am glad I did...I will continue to seek knowledge about the Kurdish people and to acknowledge the Kurdish people...
Thank you for your imfo,
Smithers
Submitted by: Smithers
Date: March 22, 2003
Subject: Freeedooommmmm!
To those people who think "us Westerners" or whatever are just out to rip people off...your wrong...I trust my government to give people freedom...you know why? They have given me and many freedom...so I'm living proof!!!
Submitted by: Smithers
Date: March 22, 2003
Subject: This site
Thank you for a wonderful, informative site for those of us who wish to learn about the history, culture and aspirations of all the peoples of this earth.
God is great! There is but one God with many names.
Submitted by: Patricia Adams
Date: March 21, 2003
Subject: Think with your mind !
A shameful reference ! The one who refers the visitors of this site to the Homepage of Turkish Armed Forces, must be a senseless ceature who has no respect for human values. An army who has erased at least 4000 kurdish villages and has forced its inhabitants into internal dislocation. Try to argue for dialog between Kurds and Turks on the basis of mutual respect.
Remember that Turkish establishment can act as before after the downfall of the bloody Saddam Hussein regime. Although the Americans are not in this war for safeguarding the rights of Iraqi People and Kurdish people there.
LONG LIVE DEMOCRACY
Submitted by: Democrat
E-mail: Democrat@Democracy.com
Date: March 20, 2003
Subject: going home
is the war the beginning of kurdistan
i hope so!
Submitted by: JOhn CAllahan
E-mail: bellpawt@hotmail.com
Date: March 19, 2003
Subject: Northern Front
Thanx: Highly informative site. Northern Front will be spearheaded by valiant Kurdish Brothers...
Submitted by: Shamsul Haq
Date: March 19, 2003
Subject: Love for the people
With all this about war, and Kurds in the middle, I was interested in learning a little more about them. I looked at different sites and finally got to this one.
The professionalism and the love, with which the work is done, can be felt just looking through out this pages.
Congratulations !!
Submitted by: Luis F. Diaz N.
E-mail: luisdiaz85@hotmail.com
Date: March 19, 2003
Subject: Astonished...
I adore this website. Thank you for it.
Submitted by: Michele
Date: March 19, 2003
Beautiful pictures...
Submitted by: Hazel
Date: March 18, 2003
Subject: KURDS AND TURKS
THIS MAP IS NOT AN OFFICIAL MAP. WE ARE NEVER GOING TO ACCEPT THIS. TURKISH AND KURDISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS...
Submitted by: AHMET
E-mail: AHMET12@HOTMAY´L.COM
Date: March 18, 2003
Subject: Thak you & War
Hello, i don`t know about kurds well, but these days i tried to learn about them. this site is really good resource to know how they think about themselves.
I am Japanese, i just study little history about East Asia in my school. But, now i am learning world culture and human behavior.i just want to say ``thank you`` this job.
And i worry, if the America starts war in iraq, something will happen for iraqi or iranian kurds?
i just worry, many people bleed in this war, of course, many iraqi children and citizens and soldiers, and little american soldiers. maybe, the world will be changed after this war, i hope that will be better for every people all over the world...i can just worry and pray.
Submitted by: kaori takyu
E-mail: sputnik777under3@yahoo.co.jp
Date: March 17, 2003
Subject: well, well, well
You mean all this wars exclusively fought by kurds for Turkey? In the Dardalens 80 - 90 % of the deaths were kurds! Turkey was freed by kurdish soldiers. And again- it will be kurds who decide over its existense!
Submitted by: kawa
E-mail: hopa1@hotmail.com
Date: March 17, 2003
Subject: Little Kurdistan District
Dear aka Kurdistan c/o Send us your Comments
I have seen your website it is excellent keep up the great work. Also love to learn about Kurdistan's history, language, religion, dances, foods, etc. Also creating a Little Kurdistan District here in Downtown Goldsboro, North Carolina, USA. Thanks and I wish all the Kurdish the best of luck here in Wayne County, North Carolina, USA.
Submitted by: Christopher Lawson
E-mail: international27534@fijivillage.com
Date: March 17, 2003
Subject: Great Armenia & Oil...........
In Turkish:"Unutmayin ki bati Kurtler'in yuzune bayilmiyor.Sizi sadece kullaniyorlar ve olmayacak seylerin sozunu veriyorlar. Petrol disindaki diger hedefleri de Buyuk Ermenistan. Ermeniler Turkler'den alamayacaklari topragi daha kolay bir yolla, yani kurulacak sozde Kurt devletinden alacaklar. Size yedirmezler, Unutmayin ki siz Muslumansiniz."
In English:"Do not forget the western world never likes Kurds.They only exploit you and give impossible promises. Their second aim other than oil is to found a Great Armenia. Armenians are unable to get land from Turks, so they will be given the land they want via an easier way, that is, the land thay want will be given to them from the so-called Kurdish state by the Western world. Do not forget: You are Muslims. The West is never in your favour in the long-term."
Submitted by: A Turk
E-mail: freestyler_turk@hotmail.com
Date: March 16, 2003
Before I wrote this passage, I'd read all the comments. And I want to thank the REAL TURKS who's written here. I have found this site by the suggestion of a friend and I've seen many storytellers,twisters and blinds in this site during scanning. I want ask to the people,who name Turkey as terrorist,which evidences they'll show us..Nobody can name the hero Turkish soldiers as terrorists..pkk and kadek are the real terrorists. We can prove it, we have the evidence on the official web site of TURKISH ARMED FORCES-www.tsk.mil.tr.You can see the violence there. pkk and kadek killed the people whom they propounded that they war for the independence for (I mean Kurdish people). They killed women and innocent babes-both Turkish and Kurdish. ...And I see that you own our cities. Do you suppose that TURKEY REPUBLIC is un-owned. As my brother said in the passage on the 14th of March, we can remind you easily. My hero ancestor have warred for that land. But you just wisecrack. I agree with my brother on the subject of being the most terrible fighters if necessery. Try and see what will happen.You can just dream living in kurdistan. You say that you are brave. But I wonder what you can do or say if European countries and USA didn't help you.We have warred in Independence War alone-without the help of any other country and against the most powerful countries of the world. I hope you become wiser and so God saves from our, Turks', wrath on you.Because only God can save you from our wrath..
Submitted by: Fatih
Date: March 15, 2003
Subject: you exaggerate
I am concerned with your web site, however you have made a mistake about kurdistan map.I looked at it and saw that it reaches from kars to yumurtaly´k, where is coastside of mediterrian sea. I want to mention that it is absolutely wrong owing to exaggerating kurdistan (in fact there is no region in this name; all TURKISH BOARDERS ARE ESTABLISHED by an international treaty which is called Lausanne) as you exaggerate everything in this liar website.
I advise visitors of this website to think about oil regions and oil lines so they could see what westerners are plannig about TURKEY and MIDDLE EAST making policy on kurdish people and ALL HOLY THINGS ON THE WORLD.Finally I add this condemnation to my message : european court of human rights has given a wrong desicion about abdullah ocalan. They know he is murderer of 30000 innocent people. I think it is a great shame for europeans.
Submitted by: turan ors
Date: March 15, 2003
Subject: Remember the historical realit
Well, well, well...
Your map contains almost 1/3 part of Turkey... Well, all we already have known that you have long stared for Turkey's land!! We Turks have no demand on any nations' land and wish no war. However, if somebody have some concerns on our wives, children, families, freedom, religion and of course, lands, we, all Turks, are the most terrible fighters ever in the world. The most recent example of this was the Independency War between 1919 and 1923 against imperialistic nations. This war also resulted in your freedom and independency thereafter. If this war was not happened, you were maybe still a slave of French or England. Don't forget the history that you are belonging to. However, if you forgot this historical reality, we can remind you easily. Try to get an inch of Turkey's land if you can!!! You can get anything unless all the Turks are died!
If you have freedom currently in your land, it is 100% dependent on Turkey's Independency War. During this war, the play a trix on regions of Turkey. Against Turkey, They have used Armenians, they have used Kurds etc. Don't give a chance to imperialistic powers again!! Remember the historical realities
Date: March 14, 2003
Subject: Thanks
This is wonderfull! The kurds do have friends after all!
Thank you for this wonderfull job and book, I will find it and read it whereever it is.
Biji Kurdistan!
Bimre Koledar!
Submitted by: Nes
E-mail: hecutise@hotmail.com
Date: March 14, 2003
Subject: Time to Go.
This is the right time for the oppressors of democratic Kurdistan to go away and forever.
Long Live the peoples of Kurdistan...
Submitted by: hilalzade
Date: March 12, 2003
Subject: What is Kurd ?
Why the kurds does not have anything in the history.
No country, state, kingdom, nothing.
Where were they all through ten thousand years.
No literature, no language, no history simply nothing.
But all the sudden they came up with an idea: kurdistan.
Artificial Nation feeded by emperialism
Submitted by: John Foglen
Date: March 08, 2003
Subject: about the maps
PLEASE BE MORE REALISTIC MY PALS. YOU MUST KNOW THE LIMITS OF TURKISH PEOPLE'S PATIENCE DO YOU THINK THAT YOU WILL BE MORE POPULAR, HAVE MORE RESPECT IN THE INTERNETIONAL AREA. PLEASE BE REALISTIC AND RE-IDENTFY YOUR MAPS BE REALISTIC DON'T FORGET IT!
Submitted by: TURK
E-mail: viper@hkg.net
Date: March 07, 2003
Subject: Watch out plots !
Be extra vigilante in the face of different senarios concerning the Kurdish Movement!
In an unexpected move the Kurdistani masses in Southern Kurdistan showed their fear and defiance in the face of further intervention of Turkish state and army in Southern Kurdistan. The demostrations started by University students in Silemani ,and continued with participations of thousands of people in Hewler, Akre and Soran. This civilised method of resistance by people of Southern Kurditan belonging to different nationalities: Kurds, Assyrians, Chaldeans and Turkumans from all walks of life deserve all support from freedom loving people of the world and adherents of peace.
The kurdish masses should be extra vigilant about the positions of certain figurs in kurdish leadership who are responsible for the agressive stance of Turkey.
Please express your view on this topic.
Submitted by: Kurdistani
E-mail: Freekurd@freeregion.com
Date: March 07, 2003
Subject: Stop saying these lies!!!
You are living in a dream world and you can be sure that it will be a nightmare for you if you continue to tell these lies.Actually this map proves that you do not even believe these lies that you are saying since it is not impossible. We are all Turkish people love and respect all citizens and regard them who are living in our territory as a Turkish.But of course some of them can not feel them as a Turkish since their origin through the history.It is their natural human right under the condition to have loyalty to other citizen's rights like in the other countries which are democratic.
Submitted by: Elif Özhuy
Date: March 05, 2003
Subject: FRIENDSHIP
Hi,
I am a Turkish person, living in Turkey. I have just visited your website, which was recommended by a friend to show everyone what you are thinking about Turkey.
I am a humanist, and socialist person. I have got no problem with any Kurdish person. I mean that i do not take things personal. But when i look at the things in general, i see that you want to take a part of Turkey from us, and it is a big insult for any Turkish person, as our great leader Ataturk left this country to us, and we swear that we'll protecet it till the last Turkish person dies.
In the other hand, did you know that 70% of the taxes paid in the west of Turkey is spent to develop Eastern Turkey? If we said, ''OK. we'll give you all the land you want '' and put embargo on you, in my opinion, your dream of Kurdistan will not live for more than 5 years,there will be hunger and civil wars. There are not only Kurds in Turkey, there are numerous races living together. For example, i am Bosnian,Albanian&Turkish. But only Kurds want to divide Turkey. Why is that? Can't we live together, as friends? Or are your leaders serving to other nations more than they serve the Kurds? Thank you very much for taking time to read this mail, and hope instead of swearing at me, you'll try to understand what i mean. Thank you again.
Submitted by: Mustafa Kemal'in evladi
Date: March 04, 2003
Subject: Your people
Where can I find information on the religious diversity of your people. I am also puzzled about any possible ties or support of the arab palestinians. I pray for your struggle, and cannot imagine you could align yourselves with the violent actions of those in the west bank cities.
I appreciate this website; it has been a revelation to me. Every people have the right to freedom and self-determination. I applauded your struggle. I am confused by some accusations; I understand it might be propaganda concerning tactics employed by your people. I would also like to have some information about allegations about your groups support for the Arab palestinians in the west bank cities. I am disgusted with this indiscriminate violence against women and children, and can say that any alignment of this kind would turn many freedom loving people off immediately. How can God bless any cause who’s means include slaughter of the innocent? I also have question regarding religious diversity in your culture, where does one go to learn more.
I wish to introduce this subject to my children and need some facts. My prayers are with you, your time has come the world will see at last, may it see honor and not revenge.
Lawrence Schrank
Keswick, VA USA
Submitted by: Lawrence Schrank
E-mail: lschrank@hotmail.com
Date: March 02, 2003
Subject: WE ARE ALL FAMILY
HEY KATIE
I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL NAME FOR YOUR CHILD IT IS (LANA) FOR GIRL AND (ALLAN) FOR BOY THOSE NAMES ARE ALL KURDISH AND THEY ARE VERY EASY TO PRONOUNCE AND (DELLAN) IS GOOD FOR A BOYS NAME.
Submitted by: MOE
E-mail: MAHIRHASAN@YAHOO.COM. SML LTRS
Date: March 02, 2003
Subject: BROTHERS
I WANT TO THANK THE PERSON WHO MADE THIS WEBSITE, THANK YOU,YOU DONT KNOW HOW MUCH THIS MEANS TO ME, GOD BLESS YOU
Submitted by: MOE
E-mail: ASSASSASSASS
Date: March 02, 2003
Subject: Sorrow
This is a beautiful and heart breaking website, I learned so much from it.We visited Diyabarkir last fall and found the people incredibly strong, kind, gracious and with a great sense of humor.
There has got to be a Kurdistan once again, you must have a homeland. This is one of the great tragedies of history and today.
We will all pray for you !
Submitted by: Carlyn Leeper
E-mail: dalaimama3@mindspring.com
Date: March 01, 2003
Subject: my friends the kurds
Just wanted to let someone know my heart is with the kurds, I'm persian descent living in america, I have much love for the kurds, they are great people.
Submitted by: cyrus
E-mail: cyruscherenegar@hotmail.com
Date: March 01, 2003
Subject: you are abusing the facts
I read a statement inyour site that is ADANA is a kurdish-arab city in the south of Turkey. it is wrong gentilmen! BECAUSE over 90 percent of population is turks; there are a few kurds and arabs who have come from southeastern TURKEY as a refugees due to pkk terrorism and unemployment.
I think you misunderstand the facts, and you mislead people who do not know any thing about the subject by abusing and exaggerating your own comments.
Submitted by: turhan türkmen
E-mail: olumcul@hotmail.com
Date: February 28, 2003
Subject: Saddam
Iraq needs to get rid of Saddam Hussein before he kills everyone.
Submitted by: Bob
Date: February 27, 2003
question: do you know the biggest kurdish city in the world and how many people live in this city?
answer: istanbul is the biggest kurdish city in the world.there are at least 3 million kurdish people in istanbul.
comment: you have to show istanbul in the kurdistan map.
Submitted by: mehmet yürüker
E-mail: aymet@ttnet.net.tr
Date: February 26, 2003
Subject: To PS
I think you're living in denial. I really don't think you have really understood the seriousness of the Kurdish fight. I call it a fight not because we have only paid in blood for our lives, but we have paid in tears, thougts and souls.
You are doing a very dangerous thing here, and that is to deny the what the Kurds go through every single day in Iraq, Iran, Syria and last but not least in Turkey. You are not mentioning the violations of human rights that Turks commit on Kurds every day. They burn our villages, they forbid us from talking Kurdish and they let us know that we are less than Turks.
Please don't come here and claim that everything is perfectly well, and that Ocelan is the only one to blame for the terror that occurs in turkey.
I am well aware of the fact that generation after generation of Turks are taught, even before the walk, to believe that Atta Turk is the true leader of Turkey. We kurds cannot accept his ideas of human rights, and his thoughts of a free Turkey.
There's alot more I would like to set straight here concerning your message, but I think it's better to leave it at that.
it just amazes me that you,a Turk,are not able to see our suffering.
You cause it,howcome you can't see it......?
Submitted by: Golnaz
Date: February 23, 2003
This is a very good site. Keep up the good work.
This so called 21st century and Peace is still a dream.
Date: February 18, 2003
Subject: Your map
Can you tell me why you included part of Turkey on the map as if it belongs to Kurdistan?Isn't this unfair to Turkey?Or do you want to create problems in that region instead of living in peace?
WEBMASTER's NOTE: This map was presented by the Kurdish League Khoybun to the San Francisco Conference on March 30, 1945. IT IS A HISTORICAL MAP, BUT BEARS REFERENCE THE DESIRE OF THE KURDS AT THAT TIME.
Submitted by: Zazo
Date: February 16, 2003
Hi Selly,
Let me correct you, as you said north part of Turkey is TURKEY and NOT KURDISTAN-that kind of shows your intention to get it from us very clearly, but let me assure you every citizen in Turkey will fight for their country. There has never been a Kurdistan in history, anyone can make up any stories they want, but look at the history books and you will see no book that says there was once a Kurdistan. Dream on....
Submitted by: Smarter but not full of deception as you
Date: February 16, 2003
Subject: Don't try to divide my country
It's all good and well trying to gather the cultural history of peoples.However, I'm bothered when this kind of studies are always used for a pretext for claiming land from Turkey. Turkey is not Israel. Being Kurdish, doesn't prohibit you to run for even the presidency. They don't have different ID cards. They are treated as any other citizen of Turkey. As long as you respect the indivisibility of Turkey and respect the laws of the country you'll have a wonderful life in Turkey. If you don't like a certain law, you get enough votes to get elected to the parliament and try to change that law. If you take guns against the state, do not expect any mercy. You'll be punished as you deserve.
I suggest Susan should try to get her way into Guantanamo Bay. Human Rights only is a concern of the Western world if it serves the interest of the west.
For anybody claming land from Turkey: You can come and get it whenever you have a real army. Do not expect Turkey to give any land or autonomy to anybody without a fight. The terrorist militia won't do the trick. To be able to say that one belongs to a nation of people, first that nation needs to have an army, otherwise you're nothing but a clan member.
I wish and work for better human rights,democracy and life for all citizens of Turkey.
For the ones who doesn't get it; Turkey is indivisable. So go bark somewhere else.
Anyone else who would like to build a decent life in Turkey for all citizens, regardless of ethnicity, work for Turkey not against it.
If you're a Turkey-hater, do not expect human rights in Turkey since that makes you below human.
Submitted by: T.R. Citizen
Date: February 16, 2003
Subject: The new Hitler : Turkey
As I saw some of Turkish racists wrote a lot of Turkish propaganda. Same like Hitlers propaganda ministers.
I want to say : In last 20 years more than 40.000 people have been killed. And mostly by Turkish army and Turkish kontrgerilla-gladio. And some of Turkish unofficial terorist. And PKK had killed some soldiers too. But more than 30.000 people have been killed by Turks. But they try to change the History, because they have army, money, power, media and more... Kurds have nothing in this situation. They say that Kurds are terorist but real terorist is Turkey. A global terorist. TR = Terorist Republic. But we can not change the history. For example : Armenian Genocide. Please dont let facist propaganda here.
Submitted by: Nevin Alaz
Date: February 15, 2003
Subject: Salute to Kurdish People
To the Brave Kurdish Brothers and their proud Ancient Civilization:
Salutations to the long awaited and Oncoming Democratic Republic of Kurdistan..
Submitted by: K.N.Janapi
Date: February 14, 2003
Subject: PçDK
The campaign for Authorization of Democratic Solution Party of Kurdistan ( Party çareserî Dêmokratî Kurdistan)
Recently a campaign has started, addressed to the leaderships of Kurdistan Democratic Party ( KDP), Patriotic Uniion of Kurdistan (PUK ) and Kurdistan regional Parliament to recognize and authorize the activities of afromentioned political formation in the framework of prevailing laws in Southern Kurdistan.
This appeal is a modest demand based on basic human rights.
While the mercenaries of a neighbouring state under the pretext of representing the interests of tiny Turkoman minority in the South are given a formal status and sanctioned officially, it is really strange that a democratic and law- binding kurdish organization is denied formal status.
Let us hope that Kurdish authorities in the South in this delicate situation in that portion of our country give a serious response to this appeal and lessen the tensious state among holders of diverse opinions in beloved Kurdistan.
Submitted by: çarey kurdan
E-mail: Kurd@now. com
Date: February 11, 2003
Subject: Live the Kurds and Kurdistan!
Live the Kurds; Kurdistan and death to all anyone who tries to be an enemy again the Kurds.
We have more culture, history than any other enemies around our Kurdistan border.We lived in Kurdistan before Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syrian. Kurds will get independent, and the world will know how badly the Kurds suffer from Iraq, Iran, Syria and especially very badly by those ugly Turks.
Kurdistan history, culture will shown to other people and how important the Kurdistan history is, "craddle of civilization", "Garden of Eden" etc.
What ever happened to the Kurds, those that betrayed the Kurds, will pay back soon!
Bijit Kurd and Kurdistan.
If I am from Diyarbakir, Hawler, Mahabad or Qamisho we are all Kurdistan brother and against all enemies.
Love this website
Submitted by: Vahel
E-mail: vahel@yahoo.com
Date: January 25, 2003
Subject: A question
A question:
Within the "borders" shown on an overlay map of the region showing where Kurdistan would be;
Assuming the majority population is Kurdish, what is the distribution and description of minority groups within those boundaries?
Are these peoples evenly distributed, or perhaps gathered in specific communities or areas?
What would happen if the United Nations were to take on the task of forming a new Kurdistan as a mandate of sorts? That of course is assuming that Turkey, Iran ans Syria would buy into the idea.
But could it have a possibility of success?
Certainly it can't work unless conditions are suitable. A division such as took place under the League of Nations and the British in Palestine would be out of the question.
Submitted by: Tom Rose
E-mail: tomandjudirose@comcast.net
Date: January 24, 2003
SOLUTION !
I appreciate Mr.Hasso's approach. I think this way of seeing conflicts create a platform for dialogue and understanding.
Politically minded Kurds, or others who understand the plight of Kurdish people and all different hardships that they have been exposed to or are exposed to, must give extra haste and importance to explaing the cause in a civilised manner and not react hastly to the worthless and cheap efforts of those who are brought up in the line of hatred and denial.
So Hasso go ahead with your democratic approach.
No doubt when you put forward logical thoughts.
Good luck !
Submitted by: A friend of the lightminded Turks
Date: January 18, 2003
Subject: something to think about.
If the Zionists were able to get Israel back in business, then surely the Kurds could do it. My suggestion is contact the zionists and learn their history and maybe they would be sympathetic to have a fellow traveler in league with them.
Also contact the USA and see if they could not benefit by helping the Kurds to get a piece of IRAQ to get them started, as a national piece of homeland territory.
Since their lands were taken by aggression against them why should their land not be got back by aggression against the former aggressors?
THE USA if they go to war with IRAQ might very well benefit from such an alliance. However watch it that TURKEY, an ALLY of the USA does not become threatened at the same time and that no reason is given them to feel there would be a future threat.
Submitted by: no name given.
Date: January 17, 2003
Subject: Solution
I want to thank the publishers of this web site for creating such a nice site. I gained a couple of new informations when browsing through. When I see the comments of the turkish people I must say, as a kurd, that almost every thing they say is wrong. For instance the one who said that Turky has never occupied Kurdistan. Who has ever claimed that. This is a way of misinforming people who are not familiar with this subject. He/She wants to present a picture of a democratic Turky. This of course is not true and I hope that most of the people know this. To this person: you should start to think of what are your people doing wrong. They must be, otherwise why is the European Union still concerned about the loss of human rights, especially in the Kurdish part. The only way to peace is by having a platform for discussion. But before doing so, we should get rid of all the hatred in us, since this is leading to a circulur vitiosus of fight and misunderstanding.
Hasso, a Kurd looking for s solution.
Submitted by: Hasso
Date: January 16, 2003
Subject: Kurdistan Republic
The 57th Anniversary of Proclamation of Kurdistan Republic in Mahabad !
On 22 January 1946 ( 2y Rebendan ) in Chuwar Chira Square in the town of Mahabad the first kurdish republic in kurdish history ever was proclaimed.
Although the circumstances in which the Republic was formed in, were not favaoble to the kurds, but this event forever became a symbol of a single fact , and that is the ability and the right of kurds to govern themselves and determine their own destiny.
In August 1941 the allied forces at that time, Namely Americans, Brithish and Soviets occupied the South and part of the North territory of Iran. This move resulted in demise of Reza Khan Pahlavi who for nearlly 30 years had governed Iran in a dictatorial manner, copying the methods of Ataturk he was pursuing a policy of forcefully assimilating no persian ethnisities in Iran, including Kurds. from 41 to 46 parts of kurdish territory in Iran ( Eastern Kurdistan) was in the hands of kurds themselevs. So the kurds take benefit of power vacum and a combination of factors resulted in establishment of kurdish self-rule.
The activities of Komeley Jiyani Kurd ( Society for Kurdish Resurrection ) and later Kurdistan Democratic Party in different aspects of life paved the way for kurdish sovereignty.Kurdish shcools were formed, kurdish language was revived ,a kurdish army was formed and in a short period of time the effects of 30 years of dictatorial rule of Reza khan vanished.
The Kurdish government officialy lasted 11 months but its achievements and legacy remain as today.
Hail to memory of 2y Rebendan
Long live the sisterhood of peoples of the Middle East
Submitted by: non ethnic kurd
Date: January 13, 2003
Subject: Being a Kurdish in Turkey
As a Kurdish origin Turkish citizen;I would like to thank you for this informative and interesting webpage that you have been created.
Being a Kurd is always be diffucult for us. I was born in the biggest city of Turkey, in Istanbul. My family moved to Istanbul from Konya. And their roots were moved to Konya from Kurdish city of Adiyaman around 200 years ago. As you see,Kurdish people don't have any place to stay for permanent.They are moving and moving because of their nationality...I hope this horrible things will stop soon..
Submitted by: Kurdish boy
Date: January 09, 2003
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